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Thread: To what extent is Shula to blame for Marino never winning a ring?

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    If Shula and Marino played in today's NFL the Fins would consistently be in the Super Bowl hunt.
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    Here is a link to marino's playoff stats. He wasn't always "marino" when it came to postseason.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../gamelog/post/
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    Re: To what extent is Shula to blame for Marino never winning a ring?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daytona Fin View Post
    Here is a link to marino's playoff stats. He wasn't always "marino" when it came to postseason.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../gamelog/post/
    I think the lack of a running game etc didnt help with this
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    Too many of Marino's prime years got wasted due to the team falling apart in the mid 80's. Shula gets the blame (deservingly) for the drafting and failure to restock. However, what gets missed is the string of key of injuries (and deaths) that created some gaping holes and kind of forced Shula into drafting for need. Remember, there was no FA to fill voids, only the draft and trades . This really backfired when our needs did not line up with the draft.

    83 - Larry Gordon, OLB... dies of heart issue
    83 - AJ Duhe, ILB blows out knee in 1st Marino playoff game (defense loses late lead)... never the same
    84 - drafted LB's Shipp and Brophy to replace Gordon/Duhe
    84 - Overstreet, RB, dies in car crash
    84 - Andra Franklin, FB/rookie of the year tears up knee
    84 - NT Baumhower's back becomes and issue... never the same player
    85 - L. Hampton (RB) drafted to replace Overstreet
    85 - trade for Hugh Green... (more picks lost) who blows out knee in 86
    87 ?- Dwight Stevenson tears up his knee.

    We wasted too many picks replacing players that we shouldn't have had to replace. The replacements failed and the rest of the team got worse.

    I don't quite agree with the game passing Shula by. He did rebuild the fins in the early 90s to a perennial top AFC team. Just never was able to hit on a couple great players to help out Marino.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daytona Fin View Post
    Here is a link to marino's playoff stats. He wasn't always "marino" when it came to postseason.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../gamelog/post/
    In Marino's 10 playoff losses, Miami gave up an average of 34 points/game and 210yds rushing/game (7/10 games were >30points and >200yds rushing). No hope of winning a playoff game if your defense does that. Montana had 2 playoff games where his team gave up those numbers - both big losses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWalrus View Post
    Dave Hyde put it best, I think. The Dolphins had the best weapon in the NFL for 10 years, and they screwed it up.

    Shula is the person most to blame. Why did the Dolphins draft so poorly from the mid 80s on? Because Shula took almost complete control of the personnel department, which Robbie had long resisted giving him. Harry outlined our problems at defensive coordinator, problems that lingered because Shula had loyalty to incompetent men. I don't think it's insulting to Shula to say that like everyone else who's ever coached, at some point the game passed him by. But his decline was obscured by Marino's greatness, by Dan's ability to will the team to winning records and playoff appearances that could never be more than that. If Marino hadn't become a Dolphin I think Shula would have been gently pushed out by the late 80s, like Chuck Noll and Tom Landy before him.

    Think about this for a second. In all the years Marino played for the Dolphins under Shula, he only played with one guy -- on either side of the ball -- that eventually got to the Hall of Fame: Dwight Stevenson, who had to retire after the '87 season due to injury. When Jason Taylor gets to the Hall of Fame, he'll be the second guy.

    Look at the Bills for comparison. Thurman and Bruce Smith are already in the Hall, and Andre Reed will get in before either of the Marks brothers do. Even Elway eventually got Gary Zimmerman and Shannon Sharpe, not to mention guys like Terrell Davis, Randy Gradishar and Steve Atwater, each of whom are likely to get into the Hall one day (especially Gradishar).

    It's a remarkable record of personnel futility. Some might argue that Dan's ability to throw the football was a kind of mermaid, luring a coach like Shula to his doom. But that's bull****, frankly, like saying George Foreman would have become a great technical boxer if only he hadn't had such a devastating punch.
    And that's it. Everybody wondered how olividotti had a job for so long. We'd watch the bills torch us in every game that mattered and even through this, olividotti still had a job. It took heroics from Marino to even accomplish what we did. I remember playing the chiefs one game and they literally handed off to okoye every down and they still scored at will. It was infuriating. I think the draft busts are well documented so I won't even go into that
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    Those pass attempt numbers for the playoffs don't seem that ridiculous by today's standards, but for the time, it was a recipe for losing. Everyone involved was obviously doing what they thought best, but the owner deserves blame for giving Shula that much rope, and Shula deserves blame for a number of things - from personnel to offensive philosophy to allowing one of the worst DC's (if not the worst DC) in NFL history to stick around for so long. If Marino played in today's NFL, he would have had more success, but he didn't, and it was the jobs of everyone involved to build a more relevant team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Phin View Post
    It is blasphemy to speak any ill regarding Shula...
    Why is that? He can be scrutinized as much as any coach.



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    I really dont want to talk bad about Shula but man some of those defenses we had were AWFUL. Marino literally had to carry the team and by the time the playoffs rolled around, our team was spent.
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    Don't forget we were always "good" enough to get lousy draft picks!
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