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    Im down for requiring identification for every vote. So long as the government supplies the id's. Theyre the ones that decided existing id's arent good enough anymore, they can cover the new ones. Until they get all​ of them issued, people get to vote as they have been.

    That said, if we are going to make all the citizens go by the same standards, then i want all the states to be held to the same standards. No more changing the rules a few months before a big election(only to relent when it comes time for a local election, looking at you Rick Scott). No more cute redistricting. No more playing with the voting hours. No more vetoing peoples existing identifications and not giving them a way to get the new id's. No more voter purges. No more "punishing success"(see below) No more passing utterly illegal laws and trying to run out the clock before an election. Hold all 50 states to the same rules. Federalize it. Take the process out of the states hands because they just cant seem to handle it.

    As for the punishing success comment:

    They just won't quit, will they? The New Castle News (where I get most of my information these days*) is reporting that Harrisburg legislative powerhouse Sen. Dominic Pileggi has yet another scheme in which Pennsylvania would award a number of electoral votes to the losing candidate under a system not used in any of the other 49 states.
    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/a...31e60Ijz1BI.99

    Incidentally:

    As you may know, the losing candidate in every presidential election in Pennsylvania since 1988 has been a Republican.
    Im sure thats a coincidence.


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    lets just use our obamacare cards as an ID to vote. everyone gets one of those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogbone34 View Post
    lets just use our obamacare cards as an ID to vote. everyone gets one of those.
    Linking socialism to something fundamental about America...

    Well, it would solve the problem. Talks of "voter fraud" would cease to exist. Overnight. After a chunk of a population dies off from rage induced brain aneurysms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumpus View Post
    Damn! NM is screwed up. Here in WV, it's $10 for a five year license.
    I think it's around $25 for a 10 year license here in CO...there is no excuse not to have one....you can also get a regular ID, in case you can't drive, for the same price.
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    Re: Agree or Disagree with this caption?????

    Quote Originally Posted by Locke View Post
    No, you're not right. Demographic swings have the U.S. trending more and more liberal. This is a fact that the Republican party has come out and admit. Liberals tend to vote Democrat because that is the party closest to their politics. This is simply a way for the Republican party to combat the inevitable. Everyone sees it for what it is outside of you Fox News bots...
    First of all, if you are going to get "insulted" by my Kool Aid comment, then you need to refrain from the Fox News Bots crap.

    Second, it is completely rational to conclude that the reason there is so little documented voter fraud is that there is so little regulation and oversight of the voting process. If they have no idea who is registering, no time or process to check the validity of the registration, nor any verification that the person voting is the person who registered, then how can they possibly prove fraud. Therein lies the problem.

    Don't get lost in the politician's BS and lose sight of the issue at hand. Voting is a right but it must be regulated like everything else and can not be a free-for-all just so a small segment of the population doesn't have to make the sacrifice of proving who they really are. Lord knows that I don't advocate unnecessary regulation, especially at the federal level, but Spesh is right. There needs to be some kind of standardization for the voting process where it pertains to federal-level elections (Representatives, Senators, and President). I am the biggest advocate of state's rights that there is but this is out of control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    First of all, if you are going to get "insulted" by my Kool Aid comment, then you need to refrain from the Fox News Bots crap.

    Second, it is completely rational to conclude that the reason there is so little documented voter fraud is that there is so little regulation and oversight of the voting process. If they have no idea who is registering, no time or process to check the validity of the registration, nor any verification that the person voting is the person who registered, then how can they possibly prove fraud. Therein lies the problem.

    Don't get lost in the politician's BS and lose sight of the issue at hand. Voting is a right but it must be regulated like everything else and can not be a free-for-all just so a small segment of the population doesn't have to make the sacrifice of proving who they really are. Lord knows that I don't advocate unnecessary regulation, especially at the federal level, but Spesh is right. There needs to be some kind of standardization for the voting process where it pertains to federal-level elections (Representatives, Senators, and President). I am the biggest advocate of state's rights that there is but this is out of control.
    That was direct at LANGER, not at you. There are very few Fox News bots in this forum these days, but he is absolutely one of them.

    And I've already stated that if a nationalized free ID card was offered to everyone, I would have absolutely no problems with this. But you can't sit here and pretend that this is an issue of anything outside of voter suppression when it hasn't been brought up at all, in any form, until the demographic shift we're seeing comes to light. If voter fraud was such a huge concern, where were these measures in 2000? 2004? 2008? Funny that it only becomes an issue once polls showed (objective ones) that Obama was most likely looking at a relatively painless re-election. But there wasn't enough time to implement them before the election. So now we're seeing the big push now before the 2016 election. All this is is scare tactics from the right, getting their base on board with this "huge problem" that isn't really one at all. Well the huge problem is that the science shows the U.S. moving more and more liberal every year...

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    Re: Agree or Disagree with this caption?????

    Quote Originally Posted by Locke View Post
    That was direct at LANGER, not at you. There are very few Fox News bots in this forum these days, but he is absolutely one of them.

    And I've already stated that if a nationalized free ID card was offered to everyone, I would have absolutely no problems with this. But you can't sit here and pretend that this is an issue of anything outside of voter suppression when it hasn't been brought up at all, in any form, until the demographic shift we're seeing comes to light. If voter fraud was such a huge concern, where were these measures in 2000? 2004? 2008? Funny that it only becomes an issue once polls showed (objective ones) that Obama was most likely looking at a relatively painless re-election. But there wasn't enough time to implement them before the election. So now we're seeing the big push now before the 2016 election. All this is is scare tactics from the right, getting their base on board with this "huge problem" that isn't really one at all. Well the huge problem is that the science shows the U.S. moving more and more liberal every year...
    No problem...it's all good.

    I don't disagree at all with what you are saying in relation to the reason for the awareness but that doesn't change the situation. ID is required where I live so it seems a bit unusual that other places are so hands off. I do still think that the Democrats are knowingly banking a lot of unqualified and illegitimate votes and will fight to the death to remove voting regulations just as the Republicans will fight to regulate to gain an advantage. It is in their self interest to behave this way. This is really too easy to fix if both sides were acting in the best interest of the country but fat chance of that happening. They only agree and work together when they can both profit from screwing us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Locke View Post
    No, you're not right. Demographic swings have the U.S. trending more and more liberal. This is a fact that the Republican party has come out and admit. Liberals tend to vote Democrat because that is the party closest to their politics. This is simply a way for the Republican party to combat the inevitable. Everyone sees it for what it is outside of you Fox News bots...
    "Everyone" is not from your school of thought. Moderates decide the election. To think that the liberal left has them under lock and key going forward is shortsighted. I hope they do.
    Requiring ID's would be beneficial to republicans and beneficial to the integrity US elections. There is simply no logical reason to oppose it. The only reason is partisan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Locke View Post
    That was direct at LANGER, not at you. There are very few Fox News bots in this forum these days, but he is absolutely one of them.

    And I've already stated that if a nationalized free ID card was offered to everyone, I would have absolutely no problems with this. But you can't sit here and pretend that this is an issue of anything outside of voter suppression when it hasn't been brought up at all, in any form, until the demographic shift we're seeing comes to light. If voter fraud was such a huge concern, where were these measures in 2000? 2004? 2008? Funny that it only becomes an issue once polls showed (objective ones) that Obama was most likely looking at a relatively painless re-election. But there wasn't enough time to implement them before the election. So now we're seeing the big push now before the 2016 election. All this is is scare tactics from the right, getting their base on board with this "huge problem" that isn't really one at all. Well the huge problem is that the science shows the U.S. moving more and more liberal every year...

    I watch Fox news, The Five, Hannity, ORielly and Van Sustern every chance I get. Their opinions and ideas align with my own. I enjoy the shows and agree with the commentary most of the time. A lot of other folks seem to also. They have the best ratings.
    I also read BBC, and some other foreign national news. I absolutely avoid CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, and NBC.
    There...everyone else knows where I stand. Feel better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LouPhinFan View Post
    Man, this is double edged subject. On the face it sounds like a good and logical idea. If the government were to do this then they need to supply the IDs for free at age 18 with them expiring every 6 years or so and a new one provided as replacement on the expiration date. If you lose the ID before the expiration date, you have to pay a small fee (perhaps $10 or so) to replace it.

    Now that brings us to how to get the IDs. You have to prove you're a US citizen. Great, in order to do that you have to provide a birth certificate. Most low income minorities that don't already have driver liscenses probably don't have access to their birth certificate and I believe it costs money to get a copy from your state government. It would be mailed to you and to be quite honest, a housing project's mail is an easy target for theft. ID theft would increase.

    For me, just lump this into the same basket as drug testing for welfare recipients. It's proably a good idea but it is logistically and monetarily impossible to implement. There would be no way to do it without it costing a fortune. This government already spends enough money. We don't need another program to spend money on.
    We are spending money with no regard as it is. The same offices that provide the services for the poor can research and print copies of birth certificates for free and issue them ID's for the needy. Those government workers are just smoking cigarettes or filing their nails anyways. With the internet, computer data bases, and copiers, what could it really cost? They are recording our phone calls and internet history, I am sure the can quickly print up a birth certificate.
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