Couple of other quotes i enjoyed:The Republican elite caught a ride on the tiger. But the tiger got sick of waiting for the gazelles it was promised. So the tiger ate its master and now here we are.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...insane/280614/It happened slowly, didnít it? The change in the Republican Party? I donít know. Maybe itís nostalgia. There have always been the wild, vicious voices of the right. The devil on the shoulder of the conservative movement that whispers in its ear, ďburn it down, burn it down.Ē But those voices were to be ignored, humored, tolerated, placated, or just deceived. That was the way of things, and we were protected by the obvious: people who believe foolish things tend to be easy to fool...
America needs a strong, rational, positive, practical conservative movement. It needs that bulwark against liberal delusion and hubris. It needs a voice that says we are imperfect, that life is complex, that government can create need even as it meets need, that you canít fix everything and freedom is worth some danger and sorrow. And there are smart, honest conservatives at the ready to be that voice, to help govern practically and sincerely with that voice, but they are drowned out by the guttural scream of craven utopians raging against reality.
This moment in American political life is insane. That a group of narrow-minded zealots could push us to the brink of economic ruin, that they maintain a base of support in their frenzied, quixotic, incompetent gambit, that there is an apparatus that exists to defend this kind of nonsenseóit came on us slowly but it is no less an emergency. This is broken. This cannot go on.
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A behind the scenes look at what happened during the shutdown. Interesting for those that enjoy the cat-and-mouse games of these type of situations. Its a little lengthy so i'll limit the quote to what i consider the two most damning moments for the GOP.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/1...own-98518.htmlThe White House received intelligence from an unlikely source: Boehner’s former chief of staff Barry Jackson. A lobbyist who spoke with Jackson passed on a detailed download to top administration officials. Chief among the insights was that Boehner would have to fight right up to the Oct. 17 debt limit deadline...
Sitting around a conference table in the Roosevelt Room, Obama hammered the Republicans about reopening the government, demanding repeatedly to know “what is it going to take” to get it done. A frustrated (Paul) Ryan finally stood up and urged them to come together and craft something lasting.
But what senior administration officials aides heard was a Freudian slip. “We’re going to have six weeks to negotiate the debt limit,” Ryan said.
Nobody challenged him, but White House aides mentally filed it away.
Unsurprising bullet points:
Conservatives truly believed Democrats would easily fold.
Tea Party felt Obama was on the ropes and ripe for taking down before the shutdown.
Biden, under vehement direction from Reid, refused to get involved.
No less then 3 GOP politicians chewed out Ted Cruz to his face.
Politicians are being sincere in their praise of Susan Collins, she worked her ass off for weeks, even after having her proposals crash and burn.
Pelosi repeatedly offered to bail Boehner out with Democratic support.
Theres more in there. Again, enjoyable insightful(though not shocking) for those that enjoy this sort of thing.
“The president gets up every day and reads the newspaper and thanks God that Ted Cruz is in the United States Senate,” a Republican senator pointedly told Cruz at a closed-door meeting.I think these two quotes are interesting. It shows that there is a budding divide between the far right and the moderate right. I think the 2014 mid-terms are going to tell us a lot about the status of the GoP. I'm particularly interested in how many tea party candidates challenge moderate Republicans. I'm even more interested in what that does to the GoP internally if it's a high number. Luckily for the GoP, I think Ted Cruz is going to be the last of his kind for a while. Once he does irreparable damage to their 2016 chances, no more Bachmans, Palins, or Cruzs are going to get much mainstream attention...At one point, Cruz told GOP senators that they should force votes on bills to fund individual agencies and programs, like on veterans issues.
But McConnell bluntly told Cruz that Republicans had no procedural way of doing that. In fact, he asked Laura Dove, McConnell’s chief floor expert, to explain to Cruz how Republicans were prohibited from taking such a parliamentary tactic.
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A government run this inefficient gives some level of reason to shutting it down.... Being unthinkable to those directly effected, while the continuation of Government is causing great hardship to hundreds of thousands of Americans who just lost their healthcare that they were promised they could keep...
" How can I go forward when I don't know which way I'm facing" ..... John Lennon
This thread, and others, go over why the American public is utterly disgusted by Republicans in general and the Tea Party specifically, so i wont bother listing the reasons why he wont appeal to the public at large. I'll just point out a simple fact: his base has spent the last 5 years cultivating and feeding the myth that "Obama wasnt born in America", so how in gods name does Cruz think they will voluntarily vote in a Canadian?
Its going to be damned amusing when his base viciously turns on him.