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Thread: Rand Paul to Values Voters Summit: "Worldwide War on Christianity"

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob19 View Post
    Well you did scoff at the notion that Obama should be impeached over the NSA thing ("legal" or not), which I would've supported on principal. I believe the reasoning was that it was comparable to the Patriot Act, but given some of the recent revelations about the misuse of the Patriot Act I would'nt have minded seeing Bush impeached as well. You could accuse me of being too liberal with the impeachment process, but I'm tired of high-level politicians thinking their untouchable & above the law. I do however remember you disapproving of a few things Obama's done so I'm not accusing you of CrazyDolphan blind worship. The one that comes to mind is the Monsanto Protection Act, but I haven't agreed with everything Rand's said, either. If you want to pick between "red flags" or transgressions though, I'll take Rand's over Obama's every day of the week and it's not even close.

    I just can't understand how someone would say they would hypothetically vote for Obama a third time and then sneer at the people who would support the Pauls, or a Gary Johnson. If we've already reached the point that "self-aware" supporters of Rand Paul should discontinue their support, then I have to believe we've long reached that point with Obama.

    If you want to vote for Warren or Huntsman then vote for them. According to that Gallop poll that 9954 posted 60% of American's believe it's time for a third party, but invariably only 2-5% of the population will vote that way. I just personally find it frustrating to hear all these stories from people on both sides who "only voted for Obama because they didn't like Romney", or "only voted for Romney because Gary Johnson 'had no chance'". I'll continue to vote for who I'd most like to see as President, and hope that enough people eventually feel the same way.
    My point on voting for Obama a third time was under the assumption that these ass puppets like Cruz, Jindhal, etc were going to be the Republican nominees. The post you're referencing pointed out that it depended on who was running against him. Politics isn't an end-all black and white thing, as I'm sure you know. Some people like to treat it that way, but the reality is that it's mostly gray area. I'm not sure if you were a regular back during the healthcare debate, but I was staunchly against him dropping the public option and blasted him for being a ***** and backing off of it. I routinely call him out for being weak in the face of the GoP's demands on a variety of topics. I could go on but it's all in my post history.

    On a side note, I never considered Gary Johnson for personal reasons. My dad worked for his construction company here in NM when I was a kid and he was treated like ****. He ended up being "laid off" for some bull**** reason that was rooted in him being Middle Eastern. Even if he didn't do it himself, he was aware of it and did nothing about the discrimination going on in his company. No way an ******* that lets outright discrimination happen in his company going to ever get a vote from me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWalrus View Post
    I think HST was too hard on people, calling them used car salesmen. He didn't have a proper appreciation for how hard life is, how many compromises have to be made, for the reality of having to scrape by to feed your kids. He lived in sort of a dream world and part of his popularity was based on people wanting to live vicariously through him in that dream world.
    To your credit though, there's this:

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob19 View Post
    That very well could be, but I wonder if you aren't giving Hunter enough credit. I think it's possible that despite the fact that he lived a more privileged life than most, he was painfully aware of how hard life can be, and was critical anyway. I might be projecting some of my own feelings onto him, but I think he expected more out of the American people, & was frustrated that anyone would lie down in acceptance due to lack of time, interest, or whatever else have you. I personally feel it's un-American to support or be passive about things like the NSA. After all, this is supposed to be the 'Land of the Free, & Home of the Brave', and not the 'Land of the Opulent, & Home of the Secure'. If we don't stand up to things like this with our votes then no one's going to do it for us.
    I have nothing but warm feelings about HST. I think I posted a picture of my collection of his books before, which is about a foot wide. I also have original copies of the issues of Rolling Stone where Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas originally appeared. My bonafides are not in question.

    I just think he expected too much. There's having high expectations, which is fine. But at some point your expectations have to be tempered with the reality of the nature of people. I also think that if you're going to criticize people for being too lazy or passive, that criticism should include a method for providing people the time to become more active. HST never got into those issues, though. He thought most people were fundamentally rotten. Yet he maintained high expectations. At some point you have to decide which of those two things is right, though, because they conflict.

    I think by the time the mid to late 70s rolled around he pretty much abandoned his high expectations, which combined with the political exile of Richard Nixon left him without anything to write about. His forays in this period were an abandoned book about Hawaii, an abandoned book about a porn theater run by a pair of colorful brothers where he worked as a doorman or something (one of the brothers eventually shot the other, which sort of killed the story), and a bunch of time spent mingling among the rich (the basis for "Polo is My Life", which also was abandoned).
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    I find it funny that "in the name of God" has killed more humans than "we are at war".


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    Quote Originally Posted by NY8123 View Post
    I find it funny that "in the name of God" has killed more humans than "we are at war".


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    Supreme pizza > supreme being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWalrus View Post
    Supreme pizza > supreme being.

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    Fundamental Islam murders/discriminates against a wide range of groups/religions, not just Christians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWalrus View Post
    Highlights from the transcript:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...er_summit.html



    And it begins.
    Nitpicking here, but not the first time Rand has pandered to the conservative base.

    Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) on Wednesday appeared to suggest a link between the Supreme Court's rulings on gay marriage and marriage between a human and a non-human, but later walked back that suggestion and said it was a joke.

    "It is difficult, because if we have no laws on this, people will take it to one extension further -- does it have to be humans?" Paul said Wednesday in an interview with Glenn Beck, after Beck suggested some unintended consequences of the rulings, including polygamy.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...walks-it-back/

    And hes said multiple times he doesnt agree with marriage equality.

    None of this is surprising, as ive mentioned in the past that i dont view Rand as a libertarian, but still amusing. And as you suggested in another post Walrus, i absolutely expect more of this to come from Rand. He has higher ambitions then his father.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LouPhinFan View Post
    Fundamental Islam murders/discriminates against a wide range of groups/religions, not just Christians.
    Not too many people of other groups and religions live in Iowa or South Carolina, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob19 View Post
    Well you did scoff at the notion that Obama should be impeached over the NSA thing ("legal" or not), which I would've supported on principal. I believe the reasoning was that it was comparable to the Patriot Act, but given some of the recent revelations about the misuse of the Patriot Act I would'nt have minded seeing Bush impeached as well. You could accuse me of being too liberal with the impeachment process, but I'm tired of high-level politicians thinking their untouchable & above the law. I do however remember you disapproving of a few things Obama's done so I'm not accusing you of CrazyDolphan blind worship. The one that comes to mind is the Monsanto Protection Act, but I haven't agreed with everything Rand's said, either. If you want to pick between "red flags" or transgressions though, I'll take Rand's over Obama's every day of the week and it's not even close.

    I just can't understand how someone would say they would hypothetically vote for Obama a third time and then sneer at the people who would support the Pauls, or a Gary Johnson. If we've already reached the point that "self-aware" supporters of Rand Paul should discontinue their support, then I have to believe we've long reached that point with Obama.

    If you want to vote for Warren or Huntsman then vote for them. According to that Gallop poll that 9954 posted 60% of American's believe it's time for a third party, but invariably only 2-5% of the population will vote that way. I just personally find it frustrating to hear all these stories from people on both sides who "only voted for Obama because they didn't like Romney", or "only voted for Romney because Gary Johnson 'had no chance'". I'll continue to vote for who I'd most like to see as President, and hope that enough people eventually feel the same way.
    This goes back to my assertion that Americans don't want to vote for a loser. I know that isn't the only reason, but when I actually used to campaign a lot, many people flat out told me that they liked Ron Paul the most out of all of the candidates but were voting for McCain, Romney, etc because "he couldn't win". They have it so ingrained into their minds that the only thing that's important is that the guy with the right letter next to his name wins that they are perfectly content with voting for a guy that is almost identical to the opponent that they don't agree with. Then they complain when the guy they voted for turned out to be lying, but they wouldn't be surprised if the other guy lied despite the fact that they were nearly identical candidates.

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