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Thread: 60% of Americans believe a 3rd party is needed.

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    60% of Americans believe a 3rd party is needed.



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    http://www.gallup.com/poll/165392/pe...-new-high.aspx

    About time.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolphins9954 View Post


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    http://www.gallup.com/poll/165392/pe...-new-high.aspx

    About time.
    I keep saying we need to start the Clean Slate Party or Incumbent Out Party where we vote out everyone who currently holds office! We may lose a couple that are good but it ensures we get rid of a crap-ton that suck **** at every level of government. In all seriousness, as long as we tolerate the status quo, this is what we have to look forward to. Our government does not fear us any longer, we fear the government and that is a recipe for failure.

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    Good in theory, but what happens the first time a candidate wins with 37% of the vote? How is a candidate who 67% of the country didn't vote for going to be effective...?

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    Term limits are far more important than a third party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Locke View Post
    Good in theory, but what happens the first time a candidate wins with 37% of the vote? How is a candidate who 67% of the country didn't vote for going to be effective...?
    The way our political system is structured I think he'll be as effective as a winner that garners 51% of the vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadDog 88 View Post
    The way our political system is structured I think he'll be as effective as a winner that garners 51% of the vote.
    It's possible, but look at our current gridlock. Imagine this exact same scenario, but with a third party of equally stubborn people doing the same thing to the other two parties. I don't see how anything could get done. The only way this would be effective is if publicly funded elections were implemented as well. The only reason its so bad now is because politicians are bought and paid for. Adding an entirely new group of politicians to buy would only make it worse. But making elections publicly funded would solve most of the current problems we are experiencing, probably eliminating the want for a new party. All of this is my opinion, of course...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolphins9954 View Post


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    http://www.gallup.com/poll/165392/pe...-new-high.aspx

    About time.
    And now what? Don't get me wrong. A third party is necessary and even if it would be just as a coalition partner. But the hurdles are too great.
    Just a third party with a presidential candidate won't do. Even if that person would be elected he/she would face two parties in Congress who will make this Congress look like Sesame Street.

    To make a difference a 3rd party has to run across the nation for seats in Congress. That cost money. Three things are possible: they get funding from corporations (which would be as-is), they stay true and reject corporate funding and run out of money within 30 days or can not compete with the advertising campaign of the Reps or Democrats, or they submit to people like the Koch brothers. Neither is a viable option.

    To have a true 3rd party contender you have to make rule changes:
    a) public funding and limit funding: get corporations out of it and give everybody a fair chance
    b) Get rid of that stupid 15% rule for presidential debates etc. Any candidate should have the right to present his/her political views
    c) ban all lobbyists
    d) get rid of electorates. People should vote for their candidate directly. The majority wins.

    Until then any 3rd party is a pipe dream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Locke View Post
    Good in theory, but what happens the first time a candidate wins with 37% of the vote? How is a candidate who 67% of the country didn't vote for going to be effective...?
    We probably should worry about getting 37% of the country to vote before we worry about 37% of the total vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadDog 88 View Post
    Term limits are far more important than a third party.
    I didn't use to agree with this but the implications of redistricting have turned me around on this.


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