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Thread: Most U.S. libertarians do not identify with Tea Party: survey

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    I don't know if it is not liking being part of a political group or chain of command or if it is just half-identifying with both of the major political parties. Although I vote Republican, it is almost exclusively for fiscal issues as I am pretty liberal socially. It is definitely a "lesser of two evils" type of decision. However, you are correct that Libertarians lack in political power because they realistically have a foot in each party but no real foothold in either.
    There's that, too. I agree. I'm just talking about the natural downside of being an individualist when it comes to acquiring political power. Too many chiefs, not enough Indians. That kind of thing.

    When having political power is your goal, you will probably gain power. You might lack in principles, however. Likewise if having principles is your goal, you can achieve that. You just won't have any power. Depends on what you're interested in. Unfortunately only those with power get to make the decisions... and everybody has to live with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWalrus View Post
    Makes sense. Libertarians are not big fans of being a part of a political group and there being some sort of chain of command. Just goes against their nature, imo. I can identify with that. At the same time, though, it's why they don't have much political power.
    Or they are a principled bunch that stick to them and won't sell out to people like Obama and Bush. Isn't your issue Privacy?? How's Obama doing with that?? Was it worth selling out your principles??





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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolphins9954 View Post
    Or they are a principled bunch that stick to them and won't sell out to people like Obama and Bush. Isn't your issue Privacy?? How's Obama doing with that?? Was it worth selling out your principles??
    So are you saying he is wrong? Seems like Rand Paul agrees with him since he is in the process of selling out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWalrus View Post
    There's that, too. I agree. I'm just talking about the natural downside of being an individualist when it comes to acquiring political power. Too many chiefs, not enough Indians. That kind of thing.

    When having political power is your goal, you will probably gain power. You might lack in principles, however. Likewise if having principles is your goal, you can achieve that. You just won't have any power. Depends on what you're interested in. Unfortunately only those with power get to make the decisions... and everybody has to live with them.
    That is quite a conundrum, but it is realty.

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    It honestly seems like in gatherings of libertarians, no one really wants to step up and take a leadership role. The meetups for the Ron Paul campaigns were very much like that. No one seemed to want to step on the toes of anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    For the most part, yes. I am very Christian but find it appalling to force someone into my morality by legally mandating behavior. I do not morally agree with gay lifestyle/marriage, drug use, or abortion but could not imagine depriving someone of their choice...that is between them and God.

    The Tea Party started as a grass roots movement to reduce taxes through prudent spending. It now seems like a bunch of nut jobs planning on bombing abortion clinics. I have been to some of the initial rallies and no social issues were mentioned at all, it was all fiscal. It should have stayed that way, the political climate might be different and conservatives wouldn't be viewed as wackos nearly as much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phins_4_ever View Post
    Which one you are talking about? The one who started in 2009 when Obama took office or the one you didn't hear about for a couple hundred years?
    The one that came to prominence in 2009 mirrors the spirit of the group from the 1700s, or at least it did. It is a train wreck of right-wing social activism now with their core message, which is good, completely overshadowed. Obama himself couldn't have planned it better but all he had had to do is stand back and watch what could have been legitimate opposition implode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    The one that came to prominence in 2009 mirrors the spirit of the group from the 1700s, or at least it did. It is a train wreck of right-wing social activism now with their core message, which is good, completely overshadowed. Obama himself couldn't have planned it better but all he had had to do is stand back and watch what could have been legitimate opposition implode.

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    I've always argued that the Tea Party and the Occupy Movement were almost identical in the way the were co-opted at the very beginning by the status quo on either side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valandui View Post
    I've always argued that the Tea Party and the Occupy Movement were almost identical in the way the were co-opted at the very beginning by the status quo on either side.
    They certainly served similar purposes but I think the Tea Party hurt the Republicans worse than Occupy hurt the Dems. People sympathized with the Occupy folks, why I have no idea, but crucified the Tea Party. Media magic!

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