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    Quote Originally Posted by j-off-her-doll View Post
    I would say that'd make sense, but then I'd wonder which ones?

    Marquis Lee isn't coming back to USC; Sammy Watkins isn't coming back to Clemson; I can't imagine Evans returning without Manziel; Moncrief might, but it'd be dependent on a couple factors (is he more optimistic about the QB situation next year? Does he feel NFL teams will knock him for not having the same level of production as some of the other top guys?); can't imagine either of the LSU guys returning to a new QB. Does Allen Robinson come back?

    From what I understand Donte Moncrief, Mike Evans, Sammy Watkins, Jarvis Landry, and Odell Beckham are all headed to the NFL.

    I don't know about Marqise Lee, but I would imagine he's gone too.
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    Slimm,

    What are your thoughts on DeVante Parker? As of yet I haven't heard one way or the other if he is leaving U of L early for the draft but it seems to me he's a second round talent. Big red zone threat with some RAC ability.
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    Slimm and hoops, you guys are right on Landry. I was underrating his athleticism. Plays with great balance. Hines Ward?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TedSlimmJr View Post
    From what I understand Donte Moncrief, Mike Evans, Sammy Watkins, Jarvis Landry, and Odell Beckham are all headed to the NFL.

    I don't know about Marqise Lee, but I would imagine he's gone too.
    My guess would be the insurance policy that Marqise Lee took out this year is indicative of him coming out. Definitely a stacked WR class if they all declare. One of the best in a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-off-her-doll View Post
    I would agree, but Stanford hasn't seen any drop off - even with a vastly inferior QB. It's not like a Barry Switzer in Dallas situation, where the team was in decline the second he stepped into the role of HC.

    The only concern for Shaw - as I see it - would be whether or not he can build a program. With the right GM, I think Shaw would succeed.
    Oh please. Don't fall for the simplistic knocks on Barry Switzer. That's the fool's route. In Las Vegas that was one of the most dependable litmus test questions we asked of sportsbook newcomers, their opinion of Barry Switzer. Anyone with a negative opinion flunked.

    Do you really think Jimmy Johnson would have won Super Bowls every season running? Jerry Jones likely did Jimmy a big favor by letting him go. Now fans can carry on the nonsense that Jimmy would have held up that trophy every year, just like Canes fans hold onto the garbage that Schnellenberger would have won 7 or 10 titles if he had stayed. Don't worry about probability, just project to the moon.

    Barry Switzer was a terrific coach. He was 5-0 combined against Joe Paterno, Tom Osborne and Bobby Bowden in bowl games. In the NFL, Switzer pulled off a remarkable feat by winning a championship one year after the team was dethroned as champ. Historically that is a terrible, terrible spot. Only three times in NFL history has that been done. It never happened in the AFL. The only two coaches besides Switzer to pull off the accomplishment are George Halas and Bill Belichick.

    Otherwise, I do have some questions about Manziel's arm. It's good but not special. It's fine until his mechanics suffer. He can't generate enough power with his arm alone. Manziel, for example, couldn't make the falling down 55+ yard heave that Tannehill threw on the final play against the Bills. The reason I don't list it as a concern is that young quarterbacks invariably see an uptick in arm strength once they enter the league. That is already true of Andrew Luck. john beck had as close to borderline arm strength as anyone I've ever seen at Boston College. It's still hardly ideal and gets him in trouble all the time. Many of his interceptions are cross field throws in which the defensive back laughs while cutting in front. But Ryan's arm is superior now than it was in college. It's questionable how long it will remain that way. He can't afford even a 5% drop to remain viable in this league.
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    I forgot to mention that David Shaw has recruited even better than Harbaugh so far, particularly with linemen. He's stolen many premier recruits from USC. But it's true that the bulk of his starters have been holdovers from Harbaugh's tenure.

    If Oregon is ever going to overcome their frailties and play for the title it's next year, when they catch a young Stanford team at home, and Oregon's non conference schedule is incredibly favorable, with home games against South Dakota, Wyoming and Michigan State. Some analysts will try to liken the Spartans style to Stanford but Stanford is smarter and does everything better, not to mention familiarity with Oregon's personnel and tendencies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awsi Dooger View Post
    Oh please. Don't fall for the simplistic knocks on Barry Switzer. That's the fool's route. In Las Vegas that was one of the most dependable litmus test questions we asked of sportsbook newcomers, their opinion of Barry Switzer. Anyone with a negative opinion flunked.

    Do you really think Jimmy Johnson would have won Super Bowls every season running? Jerry Jones likely did Jimmy a big favor by letting him go. Now fans can carry on the nonsense that Jimmy would have held up that trophy every year, just like Canes fans hold onto the garbage that Schnellenberger would have won 7 or 10 titles if he had stayed. Don't worry about probability, just project to the moon.

    Barry Switzer was a terrific coach. He was 5-0 combined against Joe Paterno, Tom Osborne and Bobby Bowden in bowl games. In the NFL, Switzer pulled off a remarkable feat by winning a championship one year after the team was dethroned as champ. Historically that is a terrible, terrible spot. Only three times in NFL history has that been done. It never happened in the AFL. The only two coaches besides Switzer to pull off the accomplishment are George Halas and Bill Belichick.

    Otherwise, I do have some questions about Manziel's arm. It's good but not special. It's fine until his mechanics suffer. He can't generate enough power with his arm alone. Manziel, for example, couldn't make the falling down 55+ yard heave that Tannehill threw on the final play against the Bills. The reason I don't list it as a concern is that young quarterbacks invariably see an uptick in arm strength once they enter the league. That is already true of Andrew Luck. john beck had as close to borderline arm strength as anyone I've ever seen at Boston College. It's still hardly ideal and gets him in trouble all the time. Many of his interceptions are cross field throws in which the defensive back laughs while cutting in front. But Ryan's arm is superior now than it was in college. It's questionable how long it will remain that way. He can't afford even a 5% drop to remain viable in this league.
    Barry Switzer is a bad example. I was about 10 years old when he started in Dallas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awsi Dooger View Post
    I forgot to mention that David Shaw has recruited even better than Harbaugh so far, particularly with linemen. He's stolen many premier recruits from USC. But it's true that the bulk of his starters have been holdovers from Harbaugh's tenure.

    If Oregon is ever going to overcome their frailties and play for the title it's next year, when they catch a young Stanford team at home, and Oregon's non conference schedule is incredibly favorable, with home games against South Dakota, Wyoming and Michigan State. Some analysts will try to liken the Spartans style to Stanford but Stanford is smarter and does everything better, not to mention familiarity with Oregon's personnel and tendencies.
    Shaw has been an incredible recruiter for sure. Andrus Peat is a monter of a LT.

    The more I think about it, the more I really want to take one of these WRs early because most of them have what we lack; big body WRs that can win balls in the air but can also get the tough YAC. Having seen most of him this year, I love the thought of Allen Robinson with our team (he's 50/50 but from a reliable source as of right now he's leaning towards declaring)

    Also, Johnny Manziel reportedly only goes to College Station anymore for practice or games and hasn't been in class for weeks.
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    I wouldn't complain at all about Miami going WR in RD 1 (depending on the WR obviously). There's a good chance a borderline 1st RD OT falls to RD 2 anyway - given the talent that will be there in the 1st RD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-off-her-doll View Post
    I wouldn't complain at all about Miami going WR in RD 1 (depending on the WR obviously)..
    Im with you on this one and if available I'd love to have Sammy Watkins in this offense.
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