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Thread: Duck Dynasty star anti-gay remarks

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWalrus View Post
    Changing the rules set down by an infallible God? You're going to have to explain that one.
    Yea I asked Statler about that one but I never got an answer.

    Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but Corinthians is in the New Testament, yes? If so, would you object to your wife speaking in Church, Lou?

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    Bill, let me give you some ground rules for how things work in 2013 and FH POFO.
    You can be proud of your sexual orientation. Unless you are heterosexual.
    You can be proud of your religion . Unless your Christian.
    country/ American
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    But if you can somehow become a left handed Vietnamese Muslim lesbian with an EBT card and an Obama phone then you can say or do anything.
    I saw this quote in the ‘War on Christmas’ thread video.

    “Expressing anger and victimization over the loss of absolute power and reframing it as persecution of Real America by minorities, freeloaders and socialists”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    You will pretty much never see me play the victim nor deny that minorities have been and still are discriminated against. What my point is though is that almost no one is singled out as being discriminatory or inflammatory in the public eye except Conservative WASPs though many people are, in fact, very discriminatory and inflammatory.

    The downtrodden have become empowered and now want to inflict that which was inflicted upon them. They justify their actions by citing all of the wrongs done to their ancestors. They even coined a ridiculous term, reverse discrimination, that clearly implies that only the establishment can discriminate. Sorry, discrimination is discrimination and inflammatory is inflammatory...the race, religion, creed, etc. of the idiot spewing the garbage is completely irrelevant.

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    No one is trying to inflict anything on anyone else. All anyone wants is equality. The fact that you interpret those aspirations for inequality as trying to bring others down to their level speaks more to how bad it's been for the minority. Gays don't want to restrict straights from marrying, they just want to marry. Women and minorities don't want to make more than white men, they want to make the same. That's not inflicting anything other than equality.

    Though I may be seeing something through a lens. What have you noticing the previously oppressed trying to do? I could just be overlooking it completely...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildbill3 View Post
    Joe Philbin's fault.

    Actually, it was Jay Feidler's fault, but Dave Wannstedt tolerated it, so blame "Wanny".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildbill3 View Post
    Wait... get some perspective, this stems from an interview and they were asking him about his beliefs, he's Christian, he's from the south, and he answered an interview question with his honest feelings on the subject. This doesn't mean he hates gays, this doesn't mean he treats them differently. it just means according to his faith he thinks they are sinners.

    Once again if you want to treat people equally, you shouldn't punish people for their opinions, only their actions. I'm sure there will be people coming forward to say how he wouldn't hire them to work for his business because they were gay, but until you can show me where he has mistreated anyone, then this is utter and total bull****.
    It's the gay agenda. Anything south of, "I love the idea of men being together" is reported as a "homophobic remark" or something similar.

    I don't agree with the lifestyle either; however, someone's sexual preference is none of my business. If someone wants to be gay, have at it. I'm indifferent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Locke View Post
    No one is trying to inflict anything on anyone else. All anyone wants is equality. The fact that you interpret those aspirations for inequality as trying to bring others down to their level speaks more to how bad it's been for the minority. Gays don't want to restrict straights from marrying, they just want to marry. Women and minorities don't want to make more than white men, they want to make the same. That's not inflicting anything other than equality.

    Though I may be seeing something through a lens. What have you noticing the previously oppressed trying to do? I could just be overlooking it completely...
    Sorry I bailed on you last night, I had a 101.4 fever and was shaking like a leaf. In any case, this DD guy has been suspended from his job for honestly answering a question that he was asked in an interview at the demand of the Gay and Lesbian Community. They are, IMHO, more intolerant of him than he is of them and their intolerance is not just tolerated, it is supported and encouraged. Would I have said what he said? Hell no! His handler should have had him better prepared with a canned answer. This is nothing new either. However, how many times have you seen a minority suspended or publicly punished for similar vitriol? Not much. Thus my opinion that the needle has swung well past equality, it's payback time. "It's our time!"

    Try being a white guy working at a mostly black organization and tell me that all people want is equality. I believe the same way that you do and try to live every day as fair and unbiased as I can. However, to believe that many people would give me the same courtesy is naive...the bottom line is that most people are self-serving assholes that would slit your throat as soon as look at you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWalrus View Post
    Yes, it is. You may not like the fact that holding that belief makes you homophobic -- it might make you angry because you're a nice guy and want everyone to think you're a nice guy -- but it's your belief. No one's making you believe it. You should take ownership of what it implies.

    As rob has said and lots of other people including myself have said about Biblical morality -- the Bible says a lot of things you don't agree with. The wearing of clothes made of two different fabrics being immoral, for example, which rob pointed out. Or handling the skin of a pig and/or eating a pig. The acceptability of stoning rebellious children and/or genocide. There are at least a few dozen passages in the Bible that all sane people realize and accept are just daffy and they ignore them.

    You are making an active choice to ignore those passages of the Bible and accept the passages about homosexuality. That says something about how you feel about gays. You might want to inquire into your own heart and conscience why you feel the need to try to hide these implications.
    I struggled mightily with this situation as a young Christian. How can the Almighty God change his mind on what is moral or immoral? What I have concluded, without getting too specific, is that as man and society has evolved (yeah, they love me using that word in church), God has revealed his plan to us more and more. Just as a child gains more rights and responsibilities as they mature, so too does God meet society and each individual where they are. Most of the old Hebrew laws were founded in surviving as nomads in the desert. Pigs use too much water to raise and don't provide milk, wool, or leather. Thus, pigs are bad.

    Christianity evolves with society far better than the other major religions. Where Christians run into trouble is trying to stop the evolution of society and not embracing the change and moving with it.

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    And it gets worse. Not from the show, but not early video of one of his sermons has surfaced with an anti-gay rant in it. On my phone so I couldn't get the video link to copy. Check it out n the source link.

    Source: http://huff.to/1cUFgQS

    "First they say, 'There is no God. Get him out of your mind,'" he said in a rambling speech. "Then they bow down to birds, animals and reptiles, and each other. And the first thing you see coming out of them is gross sexual immorality. They will dishonor their bodies with one another, degrade each other. Uh, is that going on in the United States of America? Look around. God's not there... And boy is there some immorality going on around here. Does it get worse?"

    "Women with women, men with men, they committed indecent acts with one another, and they received in themselves the due penalty for their perversions," Robertson continued. "They're full of murder, envy, strife, hatred. They are insolent, arrogant, God-haters. They are heartless, they are faithless, they are senseless, they are ruthless. They invent ways of doing evil. That's what you have 235 years, roughly, after your forefathers founded the country. So what are you gonna do Pennsylvania? Just run with them? You're doing to die. Don't forget that."
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    Off topic just slightly, I remember reading in a tv preview lineup that Phil was planning on leaving the show, that there would be less and less of him during this upcoming season, with the expectation that he'd no long appear on the show. So for those of you who think it's about the money, what better way to generate enormous publicity than to do something that riles up both sides of the street?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWalrus View Post
    Changing the rules set down by an infallible God? You're going to have to explain that one.

    Jesus did talk about a man and a woman. He was quoting Genesis, actually. He quoted the Old Testament often, and even said explicitly of himself that he wasn't there to get discard of the Old Testament. He was there to fulfill it. In other words, it still counts. And you and everyone else has to make choices about which parts of it -- and the New Testament, for that matter, it's hardly uncorrupted -- they accept. This whole thing where people throw up their hands as if they have no choice over what they believe is just so much passing the buck.

    I mean, when you think about it, it's really quite incredible. Christians who made a choice to become Christians screaming about how persecuted they are as if they have no choice about their views ABOUT people who are born a certain way and therefore have literally no choice over who they are.

    It's like a goddamn irony bomb.
    God can change his own rules whenever he wants. He's God. The answer lies in the theology you either don't know (you're a smart dude so you probably know) or choose to ignore. Jesus is God. They are the same. Along with the Holy Spirit they make up the trinity. It's in almost every Christmas carol you're hearing this time of year. Jesus is God incarnate, here to dwell. It wasn't some man changing God's laws. It was God himself. Now if you don't believe that Jesus is God's son, God incarnate himself then there's the disconnect you have with Christianity.
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