I know some are going to say "well, yeah, hes an immigrant, hes not educated rah rah rah" but when you see a man that has had the deck stacked against him from birth busting ass, moving to a new country and basically sacrificing a great deal just to try get his kids a good education in a country where things like that are hard to come by, you start to appreciate the fact that maybe people like him getting an extra few dollars a month wouldnt be the worst thing ever.
Minimum wage was $4.25 when I started washing dishes, well actually $3.80. Minimum wage went up about 2 bucks between 1978 ($2.65) until 1996 ($4.75) over an 18 year span, from 1996 until now ($7.25) it has gone up $2.50 in 17 years with it more than likely to go up again soon. 3% a year roughly and that is what they say the cost of living adjustment is for any standard job per year based on corporate averages in the US (it is a bull**** number but none the less it is the number).
What people forgot is spending power is "your" power, yeah you need basic items to live, food, heat etc...but there are a ton of other things you don't need, Xbox, Internet, Digital Cable, data plans, unlimited texting, coach bags, Air Jordan's, etc...you want those things you don't need them.
I know people who don't have a pot to piss in that have an xbox blazing away over the Internet, they don't have gas to get to work but somehow find a way to pay $60 to $80 a month for Internet. In the case of an immigrant from Haiti or a person who is "special", I agree they are busting their ass and doing the best they can, sometimes life deals a ****y hand, it is up to you what you do with it.
My great-grandfather came on a boat from Italy with no education and spoke almost zero English. He had 12 kids and worked on the railroad driving spikes and laying track his whole life, he was the definition of tough and he didn't bitch or complain about his life. His younger kids and the older grandkids picked coal of the tracks to help heat the house, what the trains hit went into the sauce pot to feed the kids. He just worked and made the best of it, I"m here because of his toughness and commitment to busting his ass, I'd like to think that even in my worst times I didn't have it like he did so I just shut my mouth and worry about making it through whatever hard spot it is I am in at the time. I found one of his old paychecks in my Grandfather's desk years ago, at the end of his days on the railroad (1970) his pay check was $2.35 a week and he raised 12 kids on that amount.
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1. I dont care how frugal he was or what he was doing, its impossible for him to support 12 kids on the equivalent of $14.12 a week. No way.
2. Times probably were tougher then, but shouldnt we be aiming for better as a society? Minimum wage itself has been bumped other times in the past. Why not raise it to meet the same civilized standard of living it was set to years ago? Minimum wage buying power is regressing. We shouldnt want to trend that direction as a society.
3. Yeah, Im sure you know people who are idiots with money. Everyone does. But Id imagine the number of people who are just trying to pay their way through school, keep afloat after school/a layoff, handicapped in some way, ect. outnumber the lazy, wasteful people.
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I think everybody has a father or grandfather or great grandfather who struggled their ass off to make things better for their family and endured more than any of us could endure. My mother's father grew up one of nine kids, the son of a drunken farmer. He left home at 15 to escape getting the **** kicked out him and then had his right arm paralyzed in an auto accident where everyone else died. He recovered, got himself educated, and was running a factory and several businesses in Cuba when Castro took power and took away everything he had. He escaped jail and execution working in the underground and then moved his family to the US, where he drove a truck with one arm and worked in microfiche to send his daughters to college.
Nevertheless, I am liberal, and I think we need a higher minimum wage.
I think all this 'my grandfather endured this" and "my dad never asked for that" is just passing the buck for not politicizing your empathy (or for having no empathy). Well, I bet the grandpas in this thread never passed the buck. So don't do it yourself. You think a minimum wage is bad economics (meaning, you're not a Keynesian), then say so. You think it would raise prices, then say so. You think people who don't make much money don't deserve to make any more money, then say so.
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People seem to forget that raising min wage to $11 an hour or even $15 an hour like these protesters want, will have an effect on the ENTIRE wage scale. If she's making 7.25 an hour, then her managers probably make around 11 to 12 an hour.
So what happens when you pay her manager wages?? What do the managers make now??
This is why I feel these decisions should be made at the local and state levels because a one size fits all approach to this would have negatives results no matter how you spin it. Fast food joints and other places will only fast track things like automated tellers and automated cooking. Or reduce workers and increase work loads.
Wal-mart already short changes us on cashiers. Every time I go there they never have enough registers open. Imagine when you increase their wages to 11 or 15 an hour. What would happen?
I agree working a low paying dead end job really sucks. I worked plenty of them in my life. I worked graveyard stock crew at Winn Dixie for $5.50 and hour. Cleaned pools in the hot summer for $8 an hour. Worked at Disney, which wasn't bad but only made $8.50 an hour. My first ever job was a bag boy a Publix for 3.80 an hour. All these jobs paid crap and were never intended to pay for everything I need. They were low skilled jobs that were a dime a dozen and always have a high turnover rate. Still to this day and forever.
Eventually I learned a couple of trades, drywall, framing and painting. Got a job through a friend. And once I became quite good at it my pay scale increased dramatically because I was no longer a low-skilled worker. I have skills to pay the bills now. That eventually lead to supervisor and manager work.
Back in 2007-2008 when the economy took a dump I got laid off and so did my wife 3 months later. Both of us lost our good paying jobs and were forced to take whatever we could at low wage scales. I delivered pizzas for Pizza Hut and she got a part-time job working as a birth assistant at a birth center. Together we were lucky if we brought home $500 a week. Even at that moment I ALWAYS had the goal of making things better no matter what, and this was only temporary. I kept looking for work and applying to everything under the sun.
Eventually after much determination and never giving up I landed a supervisor job. A few years later I'm a manger of all the supervisors at my job. Now I just incorporated and got my LLC and I'm starting my own business while working my current job too. Everything turned out far better than 5 years ago when I was delivering freaking pizzas.
As for my wife. 5 years later she's now the office manager of that birth center.
Point is keep your chin up and create the opportunity. MAKE YOUR OWN LUCK!! Nothing is ever handed to you unless you're Paris Hilton , JP Morgan or North West (that dumb ****in name) Don't look to the government or min wage to better your life. Only you have the power to do that.
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I did some quick research and it appears the minimum wage was established in 1938 at $.25. If that is correct, it has risen approximately 4.5% a year over the past 75 years, which is pretty good. It has risen about 3% a year from 1978 when all jobs were consolidated and farming jobs were not separated out. Additionally, it has risen just under 3% since 2008 which was the last level before the current $7.25. It really isn't that far off and egregiously behind inflation.
According to the US inflation calculator, an item costing $.25 in 1938 would cost $4.13 now so people on minimum wage have nearly double the purchasing power today. However, an item that cost $2.65 in 1978 would cost $9.47 today. They had a lot more movement in the minimum wage before 1978 but it has slowed in most of our lifetimes. A small correction is needed but a huge one is totally unwarranted.
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