Make Us Believers Again.
Finheaven Tailgate Thread: http://www.finheaven.com/showthread....ilgate-East-22
I ran into this thread on "new posts".
It's fine to talk RELIGION in the RELIGION section. But when we're talking about football, and a (fill in the blank with a minority) is simply saying they're entering the draft, there shouldn't be a religious uproar by a select few. The thread was hijacked, period. All conversation then ended. And as you saw, a bickering back and forth between religious fundamentalists and fans, ensued.
Most of us are Christians. But if some Christians want to discriminate, then they won't find themselves welcome anywhere, except in communities which accept this view. That's not my opinion, Wanny, that's the nation's opinion. I could disappear tomorrow, in fact all of the posters on here could be gone, and the reality will stay the same. Christians are welcome when they treat people with dignity and when they follow the law. If they don't, then I feel bad for them.
Jesus was "perfect" in all his interactions and yet he wasn't welcome everywhere, in fact he said the world will hate you on account of me. (Matthew 10:22 and John 15:18)
And that is the friction if you will, you don't have to say or do anything, people their defense mechanisms are already set in place, the Christian abuse so severe, the spiritual damages run deep, these wounds basically immunize them from the truth of what Jesus is trying to share.
Mosiacs/Generation X/Busters don't mistrust God like their forefathers the Boomers (incidently many Boomers returned to Church) Gen Xers dislike and hate Christians, and give every indication that they believe in God but don't want to be ever associated with the Church. This is telling
Unfortunately Rev, Christianity often has little to do with Jesus, and especially fundamentalism.
In any case, I always look at the outcome, not what's on paper. As the saying goes, you shall know them by their fruits.
I work for a Christian organization and my boss is a dude roughly the same age who says things like "I am proud to be a fundamentalist" "The bible is about fundamenetals" he says -> "I stand for the fundamentals" -> what he fails to realize is that his entire staff of Gen X and Gen Y crowd hear the word "fundamantalist" and think -> fundamental is outdated and prehistoric in that the church system is broken the current flawed fundamentalism is "status quo" and has nothing to do with Jesus and restorative Christian values -> like justice and caring for the poor and destitute
Kev, I say in full sincerity as my long time bud here, I know you to be not only a good guy but also a non-judgmental one. Unlike the "do as I say, not as I do'ers" you actually are out in the street helping people in need so there's props for that too.
I also appreciate your recurring reassurance that as a "heathen" I'm not doomed to an eternity of damnation (hope you're right.). So as a friend whose business is religion I do worry about you inadvertently violating some Biblical prohibitions. I know you're happily married to a beautiful woman and have a great son, so that's not the one I fear you may violate. Leviticus 11:14, please please please, don't ever get drunk and end up eating a camel, rabbit or pig; Leviticus 11:10 - next time in Vegas, please resist the temptation of those 99cent shrimp platters; Leviticus 3:17 (fat) I interpret to mean either don't be tempted by high fat foods like ice cream and bacon and/or better keep yourself slim cause it's a biblical mandate; Leviticus 19:27: if you're thinking of "rounding your head" for all that is holy, please DON'T!!! Swear off barbers immediately. Nothing wrong with that Forrest Gump look I know you love God probably more than football but please don't go postal on our football players because they're commanded not to work on Sundays (now the Patriots? That's an other story _)
These are just the tip of the iceberg... It's a Biblical minefield out there and I appreciate you and your common-sense posts too much not to worry about unintentional missteps. So like the old Sgt used to say on Hill Street Blues "Be careful out there, it's a jungle"
Your buddy Vaark