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    TedSlimm,

    I like all three scenarios, but the first is my preference. Mosley and Hyde with our first 2 picks would be awesome. Neither player addresses needs on the line, but some real gems could still be had in rounds 3-7. Mosley would add much needed talent, speed, instincts, toughness etc. to the middle of the defense and Hyde could be the perfect compliment to our stable of RB's. Moreno would be the main guy, especially in the pass game, but Miller and Hyde could still see a fair amount of carries. Hyde has shown to be a capable pass protector in college and is dynamite in short yardage. Miller would be the speedy scatback. Plus, we'd have insurance in case Moreno proves to be a one year wonder playing with Peyton Manning, becomes injury prone again or just isn't with the team for longer than a year or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ckparrothead View Post
    I must be the only person that doesn't think Brandon Linder makes sense on tape until you see him play tackle instead of guard. I would consider taking him as a right tackle that you could groom and maybe see what you have eventually, although I wouldn't spend much on the strategy.

    As for last year's draft I had a favorable rating on Dion Jordan overall, but I would not have taken him at #3 in a trade-up, nor would I have taken him #12 overall if I stayed put. Ultimately it would have been DT Star Lotulelei at that #12 pick for me. The night of the draft I also simuldrafted OT Menelik Watson, TE Travis Kelce, WR Stedman Bailey, S Shamarko Thomas, C/G Brian Schwenke, RB Johnathan Franklin, CB Jordan Poyer, WR Mark Harrison, DE Cornelius Washington, OT Xavier Nixon and QB Peter Lalich. Top priority UDFA targets were TE Joseph Fauria, RB Dennis Johnson, CB Nickell Robey, WR Da'Rick Rogers, LB Jake Knott, DT Kwame Geathers and FB Lonnie Pryor...with WR Sam McGuffie, DT Darrington Sentimore and RB Zac Stacy as the next wave of priorities. Some of them stood out as rookies. Most didn't. I'm still pretty confident in a lot of them though.

    What a rich glut of picks Ireland had to work with though. Amazing that he squandered it. That's the cost of giving a guy one more chance just to see once and for all if he's got you headed in the right direction.
    I've watched Linder for 4 years in college, and I share your opinion. Many thought he would play tackle full time for the Canes and some thought LT when he committed to the Canes. He's not quite strong enough to be an elite guard, and not great at pulling, but he is pretty fluid, and not deficient in any huge way. Hoops has pegged him well too. I do think he works well enough on the edge to play RT in the NFL at a decent level. Maybe as well as Eric Winston even with a bit of time. I'm also not 100% sure he was getting the best coaching the whole time he was at UM as well. I'd love for us to pick him up in the 6th or 7th rounds.
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    Alden Darby and Deone Buchanon would make a good pairing. Ketchup and mustard. They each bring something different to the table coverage-wise, but they both bring aggressiveness to the table. Buchanon can't really read the quarterback and the route combinations in zone the way Darby does, but Darby probably can't cover bigger bodies in man the way Buchanon does and certainly can't support the run the same way Buchanon does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TedSlimmJr View Post
    If I were Miami I'd do one of these scenarios with those picks barring trades...

    1st (19) - C.J. Mosley / LB / Alabama

    2nd (50) - Carlos Hyde / RB / Ohio St.

    3rd (81) - Jawuan James / OT / Tennessee

    4th (116) - Telvin Smith / OLB / Florida St.

    5th (155) - Kevin Norwood / WR / Alabama

    6th (190) - Tre Boston / S / North Carolina

    7th (234) - Brandon Linder / OG / Miami





    1st (19) - Morgan Moses / OT / Virginia

    2nd (50) - Deone Bucannon / S / Washington St.

    3rd (81) - Jeremy Hill / RB / LSU

    4th (116) - Telvin Smith / OLB / Florida St.

    5th (155) - Kevin Norwood / WR / Alabama

    6th (190) - Jack Tyler / ILB / Virginia Tech

    7th (234) - Brandon Linder / OG / Miami





    1st (19) - Xavier Su'a-Filo / OG / UCLA

    2nd (50) - Calvin Pryor / S / Louisville

    3rd (81) - Carl Bradford / OLB / Arizona St.

    4th (116) - Billy Turner / OT / North Dakota St.

    5th (155) - Tyler Gaffney / RB / Stanford

    6th (190) - Jeff Janis / WR / Saginaw Valley St.

    7th (234) - Avery Williamson / ILB / Kentucky
    In most drafts, I'd be good with Mosley at 19. I think he's a good player. I'd prefer to go D in RD 1, but there's a good chance Barr, Donald, Shazier, and Mack won't be on the board (Mack obviously will be drafted much sooner). If that's the case, I might just go Cooks at 19 - for the same reasons I would have been good drafting Austin last season. They're not the same player, but they can both take advantage of the attention Wallace merits. Lee, Beckham Jr., and Moncrief (no particular order with any of them) would also be on my radar. As I said, I'd prefer to go D, but I wouldn't bypass one of those players for Mosley.

    I'd love to land either Bucannon or Ward in the 2nd and Hill in the 3rd, and I'd be very happy with Smith or Turner in the 4th. I'd also be fine with Hyde in the 2nd. A big, talented RB would do a lot for our offense. I'd be good with Norwood, but with the depth at WR, I feel like there might be an even better WR on the board - hard to project who will and won't be there when you get that deep.

    Bottom line, any of these would be significantly better than any draft we've had in a long time.
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    I believe Kevin Norwood is one of the most underrated and under-appreciated players in the draft. 6'2", 200 pound receivers with 4.48 speed don't grow on trees... especially not with his level of hands, route running, body control, and concentration. He's the most clutch receiver Bama has had since Julio. He wasn't utilized enough at Bama. He came up huge every time his number was called. Dominated the Honey Badger one-on-one in the national championship game as a sophomore....which was really his only opportunity to completely dominate a game his entire career... and he did. His ability to high point the football and come down with contested catches is elite.

    I feel like Brandon Linder has long been underrated long before he was asked to play tackle in place of Seantrel Henderson. Always the most consistent lineman Miami had.

    I don't think Su'a-Filo is just a good offensive lineman, I think he's going to be a great one. In fact, if I had to pick the best route for Miami, I'd take Su'a-Filo at #19, followed by Bucannon, Hill, Billy Turner, Kevin Norwood, Kevin Pierre-Louis, and Jack Tyler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TedSlimmJr View Post
    I believe Kevin Norwood is one of the most underrated and under-appreciated players in the draft. 6'2", 200 pound receivers with 4.48 speed don't grow on trees... especially not with his level of hands, route running, body control, and concentration. He's the most clutch receiver Bama has had since Julio. He wasn't utilized enough at Bama. He came up huge every time his number was called. Dominated the Honey Badger one-on-one in the national championship game as a sophomore....which was really his only opportunity to completely dominate a game his entire career... and he did. His ability to high point the football and come down with contested catches is elite.

    I feel like Brandon Linder has long been underrated long before he was asked to play tackle in place of Seantrel Henderson. Always the most consistent lineman Miami had.

    I don't think Su'a-Filo is just a good offensive lineman, I think he's going to be a great one. In fact, if I had to pick the best route for Miami, I'd take Su'a-Filo at #19, followed by Bucannon, Hill, Billy Turner, Kevin Norwood, Kevin Pierre-Louis, and Jack Tyler.
    I think Su'a-Filo is the 2nd best run blocking O-lineman in the draft, and it's hardly a knock when you come in 2nd to Greg Robinson in that category. I'd take that draft 10/10 times.
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    i dont think linder has the athleticism and lateral agility and quickness to survive in the nfl at tackle...i think you are better putting that in a phone booth at right guard...try it out sure but dont draft it to play tackle

    somethings a bit odd about sua filos feet...cant put my finger on it...he's a very good move athlete but sometimes i think his feet are a little heavy...hard to figure out...mid section looks a little needs cleaning up also but man he can move well...got no problem with that at #19...would prefer it over moses i know that much

    khalil mack i expected a more fluid hipped athlete than i saw at the combine...it wasnt bad by any means but it wasn't as fluid as i expected...god that kids body beautiful though...huge thighs and lower legs hands look massive on the frame...just oozes explosion...real pop and strength in his hands too...if i got to pick one edge rusher to get to the qb period macks my guy...he looks like a super hero...

    people sleeping on billy turner too if he gets into round 4...yeah he's raw but his issues the more i looked are very coachable and he's an ideal move fit right tackle for benton..his kick slide and lateral quickness and feet are high end...needs to trust his feet more and not lean and reach...punch and move your feet

    that bc backer pierre louis showed as very fluid at the combine...moved very well...looked like weakside guy to me but i havent done any of his games...that tripp kid though from montana gonna send me looking for some of his work...he looked damn good...gotta see what kind of instincts that kid has and where he projects cause i havent seen a lick of his work...on the to do list...liked the size and speed and fluidity...tested damn well
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    Linder suddenly was out there at right tackle in maybe the 7th or 8th game of last season after Seantrel Henderson again found his way into Golden's doghouse. I looked up and #75 Jared Wheeler was playing right guard with Linder flanking him at tackle. Very odd, because Wheeler was a seldom used senior. Miami had lost interest in awkward Malcolm Bunche, who ended up transferring to UCLA even though he had only one year of eligibility remaining.

    For the most part, Canes went heavy run oriented when that Linder/Wheeler pairing was out there. It was surprisingly effective. I think that was the lineup for the final possessions at North Carolina, when Miami shoved it into the end zone twice late to rescue the Thursday night game and remain phony undefeated. Dallas Crawford was carrying on almost every play down the stretch, after Duke Johnson was lost for the season earlier in the game. I attended that roader. It's not as easy to keep track of personnel when so many peripheral factors are going on, like Tar Heel fans shouting in your ear, and not in friendly terms.

    Linder's technique looked fine at right tackle but like hoops I worry about his agility and size out there. He'll always give max effort and that was sufficient in college.

    Linder was long considered the most dependable Canes offensive lineman. Posters on the Miami forums raved about him while expressing frustration with Henderson. I always thought Linder was somewhat like an interior version of Jason Fox in terms of tenacity and smarts, but lacking a crucial 5-10% in athletic ability compared to Fox. That can be all the difference in the NFL.

    BTW, not a Dolphin need but the Canes punter O'Donnell is an excellent prospect. I'll be very surprised if he isn't a long term punter in the NFL. Extremely advanced coming out of college, much moreso than Matt Bosher. O'Donnell can vary the way he holds and spins the ball depending on the situational requirement, just like golfers with the best wedge games on tour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awsi Dooger View Post
    Linder suddenly was out there at right tackle in maybe the 7th or 8th game of last season after Seantrel Henderson again found his way into Golden's doghouse. I looked up and #75 Jared Wheeler was playing right guard with Linder flanking him at tackle. Very odd, because Wheeler was a seldom used senior. Miami had lost interest in awkward Malcolm Bunche, who ended up transferring to UCLA even though he had only one year of eligibility remaining.

    For the most part, Canes went heavy run oriented when that Linder/Wheeler pairing was out there. It was surprisingly effective. I think that was the lineup for the final possessions at North Carolina, when Miami shoved it into the end zone twice late to rescue the Thursday night game and remain phony undefeated. Dallas Crawford was carrying on almost every play down the stretch, after Duke Johnson was lost for the season earlier in the game. I attended that roader. It's not as easy to keep track of personnel when so many peripheral factors are going on, like Tar Heel fans shouting in your ear, and not in friendly terms.

    Linder's technique looked fine at right tackle but like hoops I worry about his agility and size out there. He'll always give max effort and that was sufficient in college.

    Linder was long considered the most dependable Canes offensive lineman. Posters on the Miami forums raved about him while expressing frustration with Henderson. I always thought Linder was somewhat like an interior version of Jason Fox in terms of tenacity and smarts, but lacking a crucial 5-10% in athletic ability compared to Fox. That can be all the difference in the NFL.

    BTW, not a Dolphin need but the Canes punter O'Donnell is an excellent prospect. I'll be very surprised if he isn't a long term punter in the NFL. Extremely advanced coming out of college, much moreso than Matt Bosher. O'Donnell can vary the way he holds and spins the ball depending on the situational requirement, just like golfers with the best wedge games on tour.
    Duke was injured vs. Florida State...otherwise I agree with you. We were a better team when we went physical and ran the ball behind those two. Linder has always been underappreciated and I think he'll make a roster next year.
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