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Thread: Picks by Team / Miami Dolphins Day 1-3

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    I've always liked Jack Tyler. I haven't really talked much about this year's draft as I feel like I pretty much stated my points of view on the majority of it by the end of bowl season. Although I did mention Tyler briefly in the following thread back in late December/early January...

    http://www.finheaven.com/showthread....limm-s-Seniors


    Deone Bucannon is the guy I've felt like is the top safety for 6 months or so. It's not a very popular opinion, but it's certainly mine. Bucannon stacks up right there with Mark Barron and Eric Reid in any way a scout can account for. Bucannon just does it with much less talent around him than they did. I love the kid. There's very few scenario's that would prevent him being my pick at #50 if I were the Miami Dolphins. That organization can use about a half dozen players like him on defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TedSlimmJr View Post
    I've always liked Jack Tyler. I haven't really talked much about this year's draft as I feel like I pretty much stated my points of view on the majority of it by the end of bowl season. Although I did mention Tyler briefly in the following thread back in late December/early January...

    http://www.finheaven.com/showthread....limm-s-Seniors


    Deone Bucannon is the guy I've felt like is the top safety for 6 months or so. It's not a very popular opinion, but it's certainly mine. Bucannon stacks up right there with Mark Barron and Eric Reid in any way a scout can account for. Bucannon just does it with much less talent around him than they did. I love the kid. There's very few scenario's that would prevent him being my pick at #50 if I were the Miami Dolphins. That organization can use about a half dozen players like him on defense.
    I just clicked the link and right away there you are talking about guys like Branden Oliver, Crockett Gilmore, Brent Urban, Larry Webster, Shaq Barrett, Walker May (talk about another needle deep in the haystack), Eddie Lackey, DeDe Lattimore, Jack Tyler and Alden Darby.

    Some people can pick talent out of a hat and rate it. Some need other people to do it first.

    Well done.

    And yes Buchanon jumps out on tape immensely. Very physical and a play maker. I wish Kenny Ladler were faster but his discipline helps make up for some of it. I remember you a long time ago loving Nickoe Whitley, I've been a little disappointed in how he's turned out.
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    Long speed was really the only concern I had with Whitley. Well that and he seems to have trouble finding his classes every now and then.

    He missed a couple of games this year and still hauled in a career high 5 INT's. Still the most explosive hitter in college football, although Bucannon can rival him in that department.

    What's your take on Darby?
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    Norwood IMHO is the WR version of Aaron Murray in the terms of I believe both are no doubt NFL players.

    You simply are not going to bust by taking Norwood. He has all of the skills needed to be a solid NFL player. At worst he is guy who can make your roster and contribute. Because he is so technically sound, he could also turn out to be a real stud in the NFL. Id love to draft that guy in the mid rounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TedSlimmJr View Post
    Long speed was really the only concern I had with Whitley. Well that and he seems to have trouble finding his classes every now and then.

    He missed a couple of games this year and still hauled in a career high 5 INT's. Still the most explosive hitter in college football, although Bucannon can rival him in that department.

    What's your take on Darby?
    I don't know much about Darby's background but the very first thing that jumped out at me was his work in the Shrine game and from there I had to go back and look at him a bit. He had one of those interceptions during that Shrine game that was just a total eye opener. I think he victimized Jeff Matthews the Cornell guy on the play, just read the play and must have crossed 80 feet horizontally to pick off the ball.

    Once I looked at more of his work, the ability to click and run the alley stood out immediately. He reads the quarterback's drop depth and can translate it. He reads the quarterback's shoulders and eyes well too. There are times when he sees exactly what's going to happen and crosses an inordinate amount of green while the throw is happening. That's something that to me really stands out- everyone on the field is flowing with their coverage and this guy is running like he's being chased by a dog straight to where the football is being thrown before it's out of the quarterback's hands. Good ball skills, hence the interception in the All Star game as well as a few in the regular season.

    As far as his physical ability he's compact enough to handle physicality and hitting at the next level, but he is kind of small and does not have the length to really assert himself at the point of the catch. He's not really that fast on a pure straight line although his burst is very good and his hip swivel is also good. He keeps his bearings and balance well that way.

    I think one reason he might not go as high, aside from physical shortcomings, is because sometimes there's this habit of hesitation to him like he's trying to do too much. But he does show the ability to correct his mistakes in-game. That's probably worth something.

    I think he reminds me a bit of another guy we mutually liked in Duke Ihenacho. I could be off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TedSlimmJr View Post
    If I were Miami I'd do one of these scenarios with those picks barring trades...

    1st (19) - C.J. Mosley / LB / Alabama

    2nd (50) - Carlos Hyde / RB / Ohio St.

    3rd (81) - Jawuan James / OT / Tennessee

    4th (116) - Telvin Smith / OLB / Florida St.

    5th (155) - Kevin Norwood / WR / Alabama

    6th (190) - Tre Boston / S / North Carolina

    7th (234) - Brandon Linder / OG / Miami





    1st (19) - Morgan Moses / OT / Virginia

    2nd (50) - Deone Bucannon / S / Washington St.

    3rd (81) - Jeremy Hill / RB / LSU

    4th (116) - Telvin Smith / OLB / Florida St.

    5th (155) - Kevin Norwood / WR / Alabama

    6th (190) - Jack Tyler / ILB / Virginia Tech

    7th (234) - Brandon Linder / OG / Miami





    1st (19) - Xavier Su'a-Filo / OG / UCLA

    2nd (50) - Calvin Pryor / S / Louisville

    3rd (81) - Carl Bradford / OLB / Arizona St.

    4th (116) - Billy Turner / OT / North Dakota St.

    5th (155) - Tyler Gaffney / RB / Stanford

    6th (190) - Jeff Janis / WR / Saginaw Valley St.

    7th (234) - Avery Williamson / ILB / Kentucky

    Much appreciated. I like option #2 the best, although I would substitute Mosley for Moses at the top and not worry about overloading the linebacker position.

    I'm simply not a big fan of Morgan Moses at 19. Can't see him being a great player in the NFL. Likewise, I have my doubts about Khalil Mack. I realize that's an out of bounds opinion and many turn out to be wildly inaccurate. I don't knock anything specifically in his game but I've seen that type of thing fail to pan out so many times I'm not going to ignore it: Not high rated out off high school. Small school. Lots of rationale that it won't matter, due to a game or several against the big leagues. Meanwhile, the full connect rate is lower than where the guy is drafted.

    That Buchanon kid is a pain in the rear. I bet against Mike Leach so often because he refuses to run the ball. Generally I collect but Buchanon ruined at least one or two of them. I'm glad he's gone from that program. Actually, the other guy Horton isn't bad either, the little cornerback. I'm glad he's gone also. I didn't bet USC against Washington State but I certainly rooted hard for my alma mater and Horton ruined them with two interceptions. I suspect he's somewhat underrated, like many Pac 12 defensive backs in recent years.

    Linder would be good value in the 7th round. He's not an impressive athlete but his Senior Bowl practice issues pushed his rating lower than it should be. Can play guard or tackle. I could see him doing everything right in camp and having a long career, even as a journeyman backup and spot starter.

    Anyway, the chart atop the thread points out the atrocity that Jeff Ireland pulled off last year. Look at Cleveland's slots. Jealous, right? Miami was similar last year, in fact slightly better than Cleveland 2014 in terms of the location of the 5th choice. We had 5 among the first 82 compared to the Browns this year with 5 within the first 83. What a waste. Slimm summarized best several months ago, that merely picking numbers at random would have bested Ireland's haul.

    These were the Dolphin specifics entering the 2013 draft: 12, 42, 54, 77, 82, 111, 146, 166, 217, 224, 250
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckparrothead View Post
    I don't know much about Darby's background but the very first thing that jumped out at me was his work in the Shrine game and from there I had to go back and look at him a bit. He had one of those interceptions during that Shrine game that was just a total eye opener. I think he victimized Jeff Matthews the Cornell guy on the play, just read the play and must have crossed 80 feet horizontally to pick off the ball.

    Once I looked at more of his work, the ability to click and run the alley stood out immediately. He reads the quarterback's drop depth and can translate it. He reads the quarterback's shoulders and eyes well too. There are times when he sees exactly what's going to happen and crosses an inordinate amount of green while the throw is happening. That's something that to me really stands out- everyone on the field is flowing with their coverage and this guy is running like he's being chased by a dog straight to where the football is being thrown before it's out of the quarterback's hands. Good ball skills, hence the interception in the All Star game as well as a few in the regular season.

    As far as his physical ability he's compact enough to handle physicality and hitting at the next level, but he is kind of small and does not have the length to really assert himself at the point of the catch. He's not really that fast on a pure straight line although his burst is very good and his hip swivel is also good. He keeps his bearings and balance well that way.

    I think one reason he might not go as high, aside from physical shortcomings, is because sometimes there's this habit of hesitation to him like he's trying to do too much. But he does show the ability to correct his mistakes in-game. That's probably worth something.

    I think he reminds me a bit of another guy we mutually liked in Duke Ihenacho. I could be off.

    I agree. I don't know if many people will remember Chris Oldham when he came out of Oregon, but Darby reminds me a lot of him. Undersized gamer.

    I could see a similar career path for Darby. If it turns out that he's a marginal/solid starter like Oldham, given what he has to work with... that's essentially what I mean when I say he's a kid that I believe can outperform his draft slotting.
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    norwood is a pro...the issue i have though if i had any is what is the upside...not much if any...3rd or 4th wr type...linder is a pretty good run blocker no doubt about that...but he's such a ehhh athlete...we could do worse with a very late round pick so i wouldn't hate that even if he's not very athletic...

    someone posted a mock i think it was the other day had norwood or hoffman from byu as the choices...no brainer norwood all day long...at least he can make a 53 and separate a little even if he doesnt have much upside...

    i dont much like the idea and will be pissed come draft day if they turn in a morgan moses card at pick #19...i have seen every game he played at uva and nothing has ever said top 20 pick worthy other than the size and arm length... but i also know that ross may have let the cat out of the bag when he said they will find the right tackle in the draft...and if there is one that's probably plug and play and deal with the trouble against speed off the edge but not be a disaster on you it probably is moses...

    still won't make me happy...would much prefer zach martin a technician with position versatility and a high end work ethic...even if a true right tackle may be more the need...i'm prepared to be dissappointed though...pretty much every year i can set my watch to it...if not both the first 2 days the second one for sure...sure would start my weekend off with a thud if moses is the guy

    no issue with a buchanon pick...he's a striker that needs to be more consistent in the box at times i'd say but he's got instincts in the passing game too...love the length also...no issues there...just wonder how it would pair with reshad jones

    nickoe whitlley turned me off last year when i saw him miss a ton of tackles looking for kill shots...if i recall correctly he got cooked in coverage also
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    I must be the only person that doesn't think Brandon Linder makes sense on tape until you see him play tackle instead of guard. I would consider taking him as a right tackle that you could groom and maybe see what you have eventually, although I wouldn't spend much on the strategy.

    As for last year's draft I had a favorable rating on Dion Jordan overall, but I would not have taken him at #3 in a trade-up, nor would I have taken him #12 overall if I stayed put. Ultimately it would have been DT Star Lotulelei at that #12 pick for me. The night of the draft I also simuldrafted OT Menelik Watson, TE Travis Kelce, WR Stedman Bailey, S Shamarko Thomas, C/G Brian Schwenke, RB Johnathan Franklin, CB Jordan Poyer, WR Mark Harrison, DE Cornelius Washington, OT Xavier Nixon and QB Peter Lalich. Top priority UDFA targets were TE Joseph Fauria, RB Dennis Johnson, CB Nickell Robey, WR Da'Rick Rogers, LB Jake Knott, DT Kwame Geathers and FB Lonnie Pryor...with WR Sam McGuffie, DT Darrington Sentimore and RB Zac Stacy as the next wave of priorities. Some of them stood out as rookies. Most didn't. I'm still pretty confident in a lot of them though.

    What a rich glut of picks Ireland had to work with though. Amazing that he squandered it. That's the cost of giving a guy one more chance just to see once and for all if he's got you headed in the right direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TedSlimmJr View Post
    I agree. I don't know if many people will remember Chris Oldham when he came out of Oregon, but Darby reminds me a lot of him. Undersized gamer.

    I could see a similar career path for Darby. If it turns out that he's a marginal/solid starter like Oldham, given what he has to work with... that's essentially what I mean when I say he's a kid that I believe can outperform his draft slotting.
    The name tickles a memory but I just realized that I am very, very likely just remembering him on Tecmo Super Bowl 3 for SNES.
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