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Thread: Tannehill - Wallace Overthrows & Underthrows

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    There's blame to go in both directions with Tannehill to Mike Wallace. One question I keep asking on this topic is why doesn't Brian Hartline have this issue with Tannehill passes? Does Tannehill usually hit Hartline in stride? Seems that way.

    Something nice to consider is that year two with any receiver is usually a big step up. I think it has a lot to do with getting comfortable whether it's with the QB, the coaches, or the culture of the NFL. Wallace has been around, so my thought about year two is obviously riding on Tannehill and Wallace having that extra sense about what the other is up to out there on the field. I saw Tannehill attempt some lob passes to Wallace, which is a nice play under tight cover. That's the kind of play I see from the better QBs in the league, and their receivers seem to know what's up before the ball is in the air. I hope to see that from these two this year.
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    i dont think i have ever seen kelvin benjamin "fight" for the ball...i have seen him just physically overmatch guys from a size stand point at the collegiate level and climb the ladder but i haven't seen any physicality to create space or hand use from the player...and it's something that for him to play to his measurables in the pros he's gonna have to develop...

    anyways just something i have noticed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by next-year View Post
    Saw this a while back figured I'd post this Since i haven't seen it on here.

    It's pretty hard to watch all of the yards/td's we left on the field this year.

    Love Tannehill but a lot of these are EASY throws for an NFL QB, He simply HAS to get better (which we all already know)
    I'm sorry, but deep sideline passes attempting to hit a WR in stride is one of the hardest throws to complete in the NFL...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fin Thirteen View Post
    Plenty of us said it at the time and re-viewing just confirms it.... Tannehill is letting it go too late. He needs to drop back, set his feet properly and put it up early for Wallace to go and get. In almost all of those, he slavishly went through his progressions, then had to move around to buy time and when he finally pulled the trigger either:

    1) His feet weren't set properly so he didn't get the ball flight he was after
    2) Wallace was already at 60yds plus, making a throw in stride much harder or
    3) The cover had tightened on Wallace's initial separation

    Almost all of those throws in the video fall into those categories. Whether Wallace could, woulda, shoulda caught them is Wallace's issue. That doesn't absolve Tannehill of putting up an accurate throw. If you're going to let the play develop like Tannehill does, you need to make the space to get your feet set and you need to be pulling the trigger before you reach the limits of your accuracy. Better still, when the throw is on you trust your receiver more, ignore Philbin's voice in your ear about progressions and ball security, and you put it up there where realistically only Wallace has the chance to haul it in.
    Yes and no. Much of what you are talking about is a result of poor play design, not Tannehill waiting too long to set and release. He is simply running the plays as they are called. For example the carolina play calls for a 4 yard mesh point fake hand off, roll out the opposite way with moving pocket and tannehill hitch steps to be able to get the ball to wallace 60 yards down the field. Not a straight line, mind you but yard markers down the field. Its mind boggling

    Also no play design should require a 60yd or longer toss. Sherman refuses to adapt to his wr's strengths and weakness'. Hense the whole bull**** on how you should be able to "plug receiver a into receiver c" and the offense shouldnt skip a beat. Anyone else remember hearing about that philosophy from the coaching staff?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FishTank View Post
    There's blame to go in both directions with Tannehill to Mike Wallace. One question I keep asking on this topic is why doesn't Brian Hartline have this issue with Tannehill passes? Does Tannehill usually hit Hartline in stride? Seems that way.

    Something nice to consider is that year two with any receiver is usually a big step up. I think it has a lot to do with getting comfortable whether it's with the QB, the coaches, or the culture of the NFL. Wallace has been around, so my thought about year two is obviously riding on Tannehill and Wallace having that extra sense about what the other is up to out there on the field. I saw Tannehill attempt some lob passes to Wallace, which is a nice play under tight cover. That's the kind of play I see from the better QBs in the league, and their receivers seem to know what's up before the ball is in the air. I hope to see that from these two this year.

    Tannehill under throws hartline a lot too. You jus don't expect hartline to be down field wide open like wallace...but when hartline catches passes aside from 1 or 2 big plays... he's catching them falling down reaching backwards for the ball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kizzaboo View Post
    Yes and no. Much of what you are talking about is a result of poor play design, not Tannehill waiting too long to set and release. He is simply running the plays as they are called. For example the carolina play calls for a 4 yard mesh point fake hand off, roll out the opposite way with moving pocket and tannehill hitch steps to be able to get the ball to wallace 60 yards down the field. Not a straight line, mind you but yard markers down the field. Its mind boggling

    Also no play design should require a 60yd or longer toss. Sherman refuses to adapt to his wr's strengths and weakness'. Hense the whole bull**** on how you should be able to "plug receiver a into receiver c" and the offense shouldnt skip a beat. Anyone else remember hearing about that philosophy from the coaching staff?
    His accuracy is just off on the deep passes.. He doesn't seem to have any precision on the deep pass. if he wants to throw it far he jus puts a lot of power behind the throw, if he has time to throw..theres no anticipation of where wallace will be down field.. I guess thats something that both need to practice on , but tannehill should be able to look down field, and gauge how fast wallace is running and drop the ball where he is going to be when the ball gets there. right now he jus sees wallace open and is jus throwing it as far as he cans..then when he thinks about the throw he is under throwing it...thank god there hasn't been any crazy turnovers . I think he probably has a better chance completely these passes down field on the move and not standing in the pocket.
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    That video gives me hope more than anything. We are just a bit away from being explosive. Maybe Lazor can teach him better long ball habits. Lets remember he has had the same guy as his mentor for 6 years.
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    Another thing to keep in mind is that guy that used to post here before getting a job as a pro scout said Tannehill looked to have some technique issues that were likely affecting the deep ball. This is where Lazor could be a big help.
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    Blame goes on Tannehill and Wallace. Some of those throws were catchable with more effort while others were RT's mistake.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ConvenientTruth View Post
    I'm sorry, but deep sideline passes attempting to hit a WR in stride is one of the hardest throws to complete in the NFL...

    Yes that's because there are not usually WR's getting the kind of separation Wallace had on a lot of these plays, So statistically it isn't a high percentage pass throughout the league which I'm not arguing. When a QB ( in college or pros) has a receiver as open as Wallace on some of these plays they should be gimmes.
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