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View Poll Results: Who would you have drafted?

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  • Ja'wuan James

    42 66.67%
  • Brandin Cooks and a tackle later

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Thread: Ja'wuan James vs Brandin Cooks

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    Quote Originally Posted by finomenal View Post
    Elite talent at the skill positions are more of a rarity than linemen.
    This is simply not true. If it was we wouldn't see tackles popping off the board in the top ten picks like we have the last few years while people generally have waited until later in the first round to start grabbing WR's and CB's. Out of the first 15 picks over the last 3 drafts (45 total picks) 44% (20 total) of those picks have been either offensive or defensive lineman. You can argue the merits of whether James as an individual player is worthy of being picked where he was, but the NFL doesn't agree with you that linemen are so easy to find later in the draft.
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    Also your poll should read either Brandin Cooks and a tackle later or Ju'wuan james and Jarvis Landry later. The opportunity cost of not taking Cooks and a tackle later has a higher value the only Ju'wuan James.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConvenientTruth View Post
    James....RT was the biggest hole, James was the best player at the position available and a 1st round talent.
    Four of the Ravens' first eight picks were compensatory selections that couldn't be traded, making it difficult to maneuver. It was an elusive pursuit for the Ravens, who acknowledged before the draft that right tackle was one of their greatest needs.

    "You are correct," Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome said. "The way the board was stacked, you could see that three or four went right away at the top of the first round. So, it wasn't stacked very well in that case. We were not going to just reach down and just take a player at the tackle position."

    Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/r...z32RqjQtg6Four of the Ravens' first eight picks were compensatory selections that couldn't be traded, making it difficult to maneuver. It was an elusive pursuit for the Ravens, who acknowledged before the draft that right tackle was one of their greatest needs.
    "You are correct," Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome said. "The way the board was stacked, you could see that three or four went right away at the top of the first round. So, it wasn't stacked very well in that case. We were not going to just reach down and just take a player at the tackle position."


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    Quote Originally Posted by jim1 View Post
    Four of the Ravens' first eight picks were compensatory selections that couldn't be traded, making it difficult to maneuver. It was an elusive pursuit for the Ravens, who acknowledged before the draft that right tackle was one of their greatest needs.

    "You are correct," Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome said. "The way the board was stacked, you could see that three or four went right away at the top of the first round. So, it wasn't stacked very well in that case. We were not going to just reach down and just take a player at the tackle position."

    Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/r...z32RqjQtg6Four of the Ravens' first eight picks were compensatory selections that couldn't be traded, making it difficult to maneuver. It was an elusive pursuit for the Ravens, who acknowledged before the draft that right tackle was one of their greatest needs.
    "You are correct," Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome said. "The way the board was stacked, you could see that three or four went right away at the top of the first round. So, it wasn't stacked very well in that case. We were not going to just reach down and just take a player at the tackle position."


    Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/r...#ixzz32RqjQtg6
    Of course Ozzie could be wrong on James too. As for the Ravens acknowledging that they needed a RT, they needed one so bad they didn't take one with any of their 9 picks in the draft. It certainly wasn't a desperate need. You have to look at the context in which Newsome was speaking. He was defending his pick of CJ Mosely over a perceived need. For all we know had Moseley not been on the board James would have been their pick. He goes BPA period. The Dolphins didn't have the option of taking CJ Mosely over Ju'wuan James, so we will never know if the Fins would have done the same thing the Ravens did if given the opportunity.
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    While I'm a huge fan of Cooks, I don't think Miami gets the same level of lineman as Landry. So IMHO James+Landry is a better move than Cooks+whichever OL is at the Landry pick. To be fair I was surprised Landry lasted so long. He's one of those guys you tend to overlook, but hate to play against him. Always open, always making plays, no errors, blocking downfield, I hate that guy unless he's a Dolphin.
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    James & LANDRY > Cooks & late round tackle

    And as far as having to, "pay a premium for speed", see Wallace. I'd rather have a WR not a track star (see Raiders).
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    Cooks will be special for New Orleans and Drew Brees will love him.

    There is a reason some teams continue to win and contend and others flounder.

    I like James...but the obvious right thing to do was draft a playmaker or trade down...period.

    Any other spin on that is just BS and rationalization.

    Trade down and draft James or Bitonio, the Landry and Billy Turner picks remain the same and we had an additional 3rd rounder that by staying put or moving up could have turned into any of the following:

    Trai Turner
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    etc etc..............

    It would have been nice to double down on the guard position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFin View Post

    I like James...but the obvious right thing to do was draft a playmaker or trade down...period.
    Except we got our NFL pass protection ready RT and a premier play-maker in Landry. That much is obvious, not BS or rationalization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jim1 View Post
    Four of the Ravens' first eight picks were compensatory selections that couldn't be traded, making it difficult to maneuver. It was an elusive pursuit for the Ravens, who acknowledged before the draft that right tackle was one of their greatest needs.

    "You are correct," Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome said. "The way the board was stacked, you could see that three or four went right away at the top of the first round. So, it wasn't stacked very well in that case. We were not going to just reach down and just take a player at the tackle position."

    Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/r...z32RqjQtg6Four of the Ravens' first eight picks were compensatory selections that couldn't be traded, making it difficult to maneuver. It was an elusive pursuit for the Ravens, who acknowledged before the draft that right tackle was one of their greatest needs.
    "You are correct," Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome said. "The way the board was stacked, you could see that three or four went right away at the top of the first round. So, it wasn't stacked very well in that case. We were not going to just reach down and just take a player at the tackle position."


    Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/r...#ixzz32RqjQtg6
    We will see how that works out for them....last season they didn't address the position and had to make a mid season trade....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sons of Shula View Post
    Except we got our NFL pass protection ready RT and a premier play-maker in Landry. That much is obvious, not BS or rationalization.
    You make my point...you just rationalized reaching at least 10 to 15 picks too early when a trade moving you down 7 or 8 spots was sitting there....that is what is obvious.

    Your eval. of James as NFL ready is not obvious...it is speculation.

    Look, I like James...like most I saw him going in the second round.

    Some teams maximize the opportunities and value...others don't.

    The Brandon Marshal & Wes Welker trades are perfect examples of how this organization squandered talent and value.

    The James panic pick reminds me of the Vernon Carey panic pick.
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