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Thread: Colledge- Starter or Depth?

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    It's certainly not an awe-inspiring interior, whatever combination we put out. At this stage, I think everyone would settle for a tolerable "finger in the dyke " (ouch!) scenario until the bye week and/or Pouncey comes back.

    New guys, new schemes, new OC, new o-line coach, rookies needed to start, stand-in "Qb of the line" center..... it's a lot to ask any roster of fatties to pull into a cohesive unit.

    We really should have signed an extra guard in FA. I don't think that's a case of hindsight being 20:20, I think it's a view held by a lot of people since FA opened.

    Until TC opens, we won't know what combination clicks to any degree. The fact we signed a guard/center signals to me that they're not looking at Garner as the leading candidate for the center spot. Until proven otherwise in TC it looks like a shootout between Smith at C and Colledge at RG or vice versa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southbeach 2 View Post
    I don't believe that Lazor wants us to be the pass happy team of last year, and wants to create a balance. Until someone/anyone on the OL proves they can run block, Shelly has a pretty good shot here.
    I totally disagree. If Shelley is on the field Wallace might as well not even dress out. We will have no deep threat if Shelley is in pass pro. Our OL takes a significant step BACKWARDS if Shelley is a starter. I think that is what they have finally figured out, and the Collegde signing is for him to play RG until Turner gets up to speed and can replace him. Garner, Brenner or Larsen will be the center.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KTOWNFINFAN View Post
    I totally disagree. If Shelley is on the field Wallace might as well not even dress out. We will have no deep threat if Shelley is in pass pro. Our OL takes a significant step BACKWARDS if Shelley is a starter. I think that is what they have finally figured out, and the Collegde signing is for him to play RG until Turner gets up to speed and can replace him. Garner, Brenner or Larsen will be the center.
    KT, but how do you really feel about Shelly? LOL I do respect your opinion, and have not seen him play to agree or disagree. There are many very mixed review on him from PFF to other very knowledgeable posters and analysts. Some believe his problems can be corrected. Others believe him to be a wasted signing.

    I'm gonna wait and see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southbeach 2 View Post
    I don't believe that Lazor wants us to be the pass happy team of last year, and wants to create a balance. Until someone/anyone on the OL proves they can run block, Shelly has a pretty good shot here.
    No, I agree with you that Miami needs to be able to run the ball, and Lazor will expect Miami to be able to run it as well as pass, but to me having a line that is ineffective protecting the QB for a 2nd straight year out of any position will not be tolerated.

    I believe if the line is somewhat effective run-blocking, but do very good job pass-blocking, the coaching staff could live with it, but if it's the opposite, the coaching staff will not allow it to continue.

    Even though Lazor has said he will run the ball quite a bit this season, I believe Miami will still throw it a bit more then run it, what they will not do this year, which they did last year, is not get cute and try to pass it when it's 3rd and short.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southbeach 2 View Post
    The reason is simple. The OL, above all other aspects of the team, has to play together. The longer it takes to have 5 new guys doing that, the worse they are.
    And I'll say it again...if you have a bunch of guys coming in that you don't know a lot about and you are able to figure it all out before preseason...it means that your backups suck!
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    I should amend my post above. Talking to another guy who is not necessarily an OL guy, but very good at evaluating players as a fan, especially QB's being a former one in college...oh and he also is not very pleased with Hickey and many of his moves to date...

    He said he thinks this was a good move and says he thinks Colledge is "solid". So that's very encouraging. Especially from a guy who is always very objective since I have known him and, as I said, is not a Hickey fan so far. But he does like this move. Nobody is always right, but this encourages me a ton knowing how often this guy has been right about players in the past. This doesn't necessarily help to answer the starter or depth question. I guess we have to wait and see. But it's some positive insight I thought I'd add.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tay0365 View Post
    No, I agree with you that Miami needs to be able to run the ball, and Lazor will expect Miami to be able to run it as well as pass, but to me having a line that is ineffective protecting the QB for a 2nd straight year out of any position will not be tolerated.

    I believe if the line is somewhat effective run-blocking, but do very good job pass-blocking, the coaching staff could live with it, but if it's the opposite, the coaching staff will not allow it to continue.

    Even though Lazor has said he will run the ball quite a bit this season, I believe Miami will still throw it a bit more then run it, what they will not do this year, which they did last year, is not get cute and try to pass it when it's 3rd and short.
    It is very debatable. IMO, we are not going to be very good in pass protect no matter who starts. I believe that having one guy who is VG on the run and not as good on the pass will actually help the passing game more in taking pressure off RT by being able to run more effectively than going the other way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Phin View Post
    And I'll say it again...if you have a bunch of guys coming in that you don't know a lot about and you are able to figure it all out before preseason...it means that your backups suck!
    To me it might just mean that your starters have stepped up and are pretty good. Not that I expect that to happen, but it COULD mean that, in a galaxy far far away, where good things actually happened to the dolphins ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolphin North View Post
    I should amend my post above. Talking to another guy who is not necessarily an OL guy, but very good at evaluating players as a fan, especially QB's being a former one in college...oh and he also is not very pleased with Hickey and many of his moves to date...

    He said he thinks this was a good move and says he thinks Colledge is "solid". So that's very encouraging. Especially from a guy who is always very objective since I have known him and, as I said, is not a Hickey fan so far. But he does like this move. Nobody is always right, but this encourages me a ton knowing how often this guy has been right about players in the past. This doesn't necessarily help to answer the starter or depth question. I guess we have to wait and see. But it's some positive insight I thought I'd add.
    I agree with your friend. A lot of what Hickey has done has not impressed me. This is one of his better/maybe best, signings to date.
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    Some Cards fans believe Colledge was their best lineman last season. I didn't realise he was that solid for them. Some encouragement...
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    Shelley is a project.

    Colledge is a stopgap who will likely start while Pouncey is out. The hope is that Shelley and Turner developed quickly and claim the starting guard spots.

    Until that happens, Colledge, Garner, Thomas, Fox and Brenner will all be given shots at OG and throw Larsen into the mix at C. Not all can make the roster, so the time to prove it starts later this month.
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