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Thread: Mathis vs Turner vs Colledge?

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    Well we did something sort of similar to that last year. We brought in a former pro-bowl right tackle. Now, there is a big difference between the popularity contest pro-bowl and the elite all-pro, but the veteran lineman had an atrocious time adjusting until near the end of the season.

    Mathis plays in a similar scheme and was a better player etc. But, OL is a lot about Synergy and chemistry. It takes time to build. Older players offer much less time post adjustment than younger players.

    So, when you are building a team around a young QB, you want to put those cornerstone young OL in place to protect him for a decade.

    What we should have done is draft Lane Johnson in 2013, but we didn't. We should have traded up to snag Lewan or Martin in 2014, but we didnt. We should have pursued the younger Monroe or Veldheer more vigorously. We should be on year 3 of building around Tannehill, but instead we are on year 1.5.
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    I feel that a year makes a big difference for any player in their 30s (with the exception being QBs). You never know when an All-Pro will turn into a dud. I'm glad we took a chance with a young guy, let's see what he can do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital View Post
    Well we did something sort of similar to that last year. We brought in a former pro-bowl right tackle. Now, there is a big difference between the popularity contest pro-bowl and the elite all-pro, but the veteran lineman had an atrocious time adjusting until near the end of the season.

    Mathis plays in a similar scheme and was a better player etc. But, OL is a lot about Synergy and chemistry. It takes time to build. Older players offer much less time post adjustment than younger players.

    So, when you are building a team around a young QB, you want to put those cornerstone young OL in place to protect him for a decade.

    What we should have done is draft Lane Johnson in 2013, but we didn't. We should have traded up to snag Lewan or Martin in 2014, but we didnt. We should have pursued the younger Monroe or Veldheer more vigorously. We should be on year 3 of building around Tannehill, but instead we are on year 1.5.
    The same Lane Johnson who was busted for taking PED's and is now suspended for the first 4 games of next season and one strike away from a year long suspension? No thank you. I'd much rather have Jordan.
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    Philbin and Staff work within their own players and abilities. Even when we bring in FA's, they immediately beef up the ranks with young kids. They use FA's to buy them time to teach rookies. They believe in coaching up talent.

    I was a little upset when we drafted Landry this year, considering the sheer volume of holes on the OL. But when they did, I realized it was predictable considering how much importance WR has to this staff. They will draft WRs and DBs like most teams draft QBs. We will constantly see new competition at WR and DB to keep pace with the modern pass happy NFL. They will always turn over rocks in those areas looking for new talent.

    I think people need to re-evaluate our "preparedness" for an injury such as Pouncey's. We turned over 4 starters on the OL and brought in new depth. With all due respect, if we had spent any more resources on the OL we would have created a talent debt at another position that would have perpetuated itself into each new draft.

    From Philbin's mantra about building and teaching talent, I honestly believe Colledge is here as veteran DEPTH. I truly believe Brenner and Larsen are the only true considerations for starting C and Turner will be pushing for RG. Colledge provides insurance for LG, C and RG. He is not a real threat to start.

    Consider this.... this year is very critical to Philbin and Tannehill's future. They will not complicate Tannehill's chemistry with a 3rd center (he has experience with Pouncey and Brenner) who will NOT be here after this year. Larsen has a strong potential future with this team. He and Brenner will be the key backups to G and C moving forward. And one of them might make Pouncey expendable or a leveraged asset when contract talks come up.

    You do not depend on a stop gap as a long term starter. So, I immediately do not think Colledge is in the mix for starting C.

    I think Larsen is our Week 1 C and Pouncey might be start getting worried about his job and spot on this team. Brenner becomes the Swiss Army Knife of the interior OL.

    I predict Week 1 OL is Albert, Thomas, Larsen, Smith and James. In time, I think Turner becomes RG. And Pouncey will have a lot to prove.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mnphinfan View Post
    The same Lane Johnson who was busted for taking PED's and is now suspended for the first 4 games of next season and one strike away from a year long suspension? No thank you. I'd much rather have Jordan.
    Yep. The same one. Surrounding your franchise QB isn't an instant success thing ... and neither is drafting an injured and undersized position change like Jordan. By the end of this year I am confident that Lane Johnson will have played more snaps through 2 NFL seasons than Jordan.

    But that's not the point really. The point is that building around your franchise QB is important and not something you want to have to redo every 2 or 3 years. Let's get players we can have for the long haul who can grow with Tannehill.

    I like Jordan. I'm not one of his naysayers. But when you have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds and come away with only 3rd rounder Dallas Thomas for a woefully understocked offense ... that's not building around your QB. IMHO, Ireland missed the point there by putting all his eggs in FA's like Wallace, Keller, and Clabo; then neglecting the offense in the draft.
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    All fair points on not trading for Mathis, which was somewhat of a pipe dream of mine until we signed Colledge. At 32, his play could have dropped off some but, he did not miss any time last year, led the Philly OL in pass protect giving up only 2 sacks and few pressures.

    However, my main reason for wanting him was for his run blocking, where he got an off the chats grade of +42. More importantly, when they ran middle left, it was 54 times for a 5.9 average. When they ran behind the LG, it was 52 times for an 8 yard average. This was much better than any of the Eagles OL who were all VG, and was not inflated. McCoy's long carries were 34 middle left, and 3o behind the LG, with Brown having one for 65.

    Even with a drop off, he would still be light years over the best we have. Having a run game is what RT needs to slow down the pass rush, open play action, and make some first downs. He would have given that to us.

    Over and done now, and we move on hoping for the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southbeach 2 View Post
    Mathis is 32. BIG difference.
    32 or 35... I still dont pay that salary for him. The difference isn't all that big once they hit that wall. I still dont build with a 32 yr old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phinfan40353 View Post
    Philbin and Staff work within their own players and abilities. Even when we bring in FA's, they immediately beef up the ranks with young kids. They use FA's to buy them time to teach rookies. They believe in coaching up talent.

    I was a little upset when we drafted Landry this year, considering the sheer volume of holes on the OL. But when they did, I realized it was predictable considering how much importance WR has to this staff. They will draft WRs and DBs like most teams draft QBs. We will constantly see new competition at WR and DB to keep pace with the modern pass happy NFL. They will always turn over rocks in those areas looking for new talent.

    I think people need to re-evaluate our "preparedness" for an injury such as Pouncey's. We turned over 4 starters on the OL and brought in new depth. With all due respect, if we had spent any more resources on the OL we would have created a talent debt at another position that would have perpetuated itself into each new draft.

    From Philbin's mantra about building and teaching talent, I honestly believe Colledge is here as veteran DEPTH. I truly believe Brenner and Larsen are the only true considerations for starting C and Turner will be pushing for RG. Colledge provides insurance for LG, C and RG. He is not a real threat to start.

    Consider this.... this year is very critical to Philbin and Tannehill's future. They will not complicate Tannehill's chemistry with a 3rd center (he has experience with Pouncey and Brenner) who will NOT be here after this year. Larsen has a strong potential future with this team. He and Brenner will be the key backups to G and C moving forward. And one of them might make Pouncey expendable or a leveraged asset when contract talks come up.

    You do not depend on a stop gap as a long term starter. So, I immediately do not think Colledge is in the mix for starting C.

    I think Larsen is our Week 1 C and Pouncey might be start getting worried about his job and spot on this team. Brenner becomes the Swiss Army Knife of the interior OL.

    I predict Week 1 OL is Albert, Thomas, Larsen, Smith and James. In time, I think Turner becomes RG. And Pouncey will have a lot to prove.


    If MIA won't pay Pouncey, someone will. His abilityto reach the edge will make it so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DolfanDuBbZ~ View Post
    32 or 35... I still dont pay that salary for him. The difference isn't all that big once they hit that wall. I still dont build with a 32 yr old.
    Not building, just looking to win and give Tannehill his best chance to succeed. No matter, it's over with.
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