Are The Dolphins and Tua Further Apart Than People Think?

[MARINO1384]

I really hope they don't give him the 50 million everyone thinks he's going to get. I say let him play on the 5th year option. I say this because this regime hasn't won anything yet; all they did was put up some meaningless stats. If they choke in the big games again next season and fail to make the playoffs or fail to win a playoff game, then Ross should clean house. It wouldn't be right to possibly burden a new regime with a high-priced QB that they may not want.

50 million is a steal so not sure what you’re talking about. That’s just the price of qbs. Nfl already talking about adding an 18th regular season game. This will increase revenue and the cap. Miami could realistically be looking at signing him for 65 million next year if not signed this year and plays another good season.

 

[gofins60]

50 million is a steal so not sure what you’re talking about. That’s just the price of qbs. Nfl already talking about adding an 18th regular season game. This will increase revenue and the cap. Miami could realistically be looking at signing him for 65 million next year if not signed this year and plays another good season.

I get your point, and no, it's not my money. However, these contracts are getting ridiculous. And, as the contracts and salary cap keep going up, so probably will the outrageous merchandise, ticket, and concession prices.

 

[Travis34]

 

[AquaBlissed888]

I think the team is pretty content with Tua playing the season on his option. They don't really need the cap savings any longer. That ship has sailed.

 

[phinsforlife]

Here's my guess...

5 years 230m, 130m guaranteed.

seems in the realm....that number would have a 4 in front of it too....i can still do math in my old age, but barely!

 

[Highzenga]

Conclusion first, since I think people are missing the question:

Not to bias anyone, I think there is a real hard negotiation going on. My view is something gets done, but the number will be in the 40's as opposed to 50's....this is how negotiations go when both sides have good points, you tend to end up in the middle:

This is not an attempt to start a debate about Tua's merits as a QB. The question is, what is the state of the negotiation? Are the two sides close, or still far apart?

IF the two sides were close, we would have a deal already. Clearly we don't have a deal. So that implies there is a real negotiation going on here.

In any negotiation, the two sides will make their case. Tua's side will say he led the league in passing yards, top QBs get mid 50's million. The Dolphins will say, he still has not won a playoff game, faded down the stretch last year, and needs a lot of help around him that will be impossible to provide if he takes up that much of the salary cap. That is a $30-$35mm per year QB. That also leaves a $20-$25mm per year difference between the two sides. The amount of difference is bigger than the salary of any other single player. The other thing I wonder, is if the Dolphins are saying in their negotiation something akin to "well we can let you play out the 5th year option, and then franchise you the next year, and the total dollars in those two years will be less than $100mm ($50mm per year x 2) so we could just do that." Tua's side will say yeah, but you won't be deferring any of that money into the future to make the cap easier to manage now, and back and forth they go.

THEN, we are seeing a lot more articles and comments like this from the local media, this is the Sun Sentinel today: Chris Perkins: Dolphins shouldn’t give Tua an extension, and certainly not superstar money

Some may think the media thinks independently. Sometimes they do, and sometimes they do things like this at the behest of the team. The team wants stuff like this out there as part of their negotiating strategy. Gets the fans on their side, and they know the guys at the other side of the table see these articles.

The question is, do you think they are close on a deal, and what is the number, years and dollars, and when do you think it will be announced OR are the two sides still far apart and this whole thing is not going as smoothly as people might believe?

I love Tua and think he should be paid. But we know Grier is trying to get a team friendly discount. As he should. Hypothetically, maybe it would be better to let the season play out. A motivated Tua trying to get the generational bag. If he plays well then make him the highest paid qb in the league

 

[TheMageGandalf]

yes but that was also not the question asked in the OP. I think something gets done too, but will be in the 40's as opposed to the 50's

Possibly...honestly I'm not worried about it because the way things are going around the league with these contracts, the difference isn't going to be enough to sink us either way...when it comes to this I trust Grier to get it right...

 

[MARINO1384]

Perhaps they see him in the correct light. He is a viable QB, who can perform in optimal situations. What is that worth? Certainly not 50. 40? I guess that depends upon structure to protect the team, but that even seems high to me.

Nah you’re just lost dude. Kirk Cousins just got 45 being 10 years older and coming off major injury. Come back to reality.

 

[MARINO1384]

I get your point, and no, it's not my money. However, these contracts are getting ridiculous. And, as the contracts and salary cap keep going up, so probably will the outrageous merchandise, ticket, and concession prices.

We haven’t seen nothing yet. In an unprecedented rise of cap, set to go up 20+ million each year and that’s before an 18 game season and seems low as that’s what was planned for this season and they beat expected earnings by so much we ended up getting like + 35 million which could of been more but they’ve already deferred 10 million to next year so think we are already at a 30 million planned for next year plus a potential 18 game season which will add another 10+ per seasons.

 

[Feverdream]

Nah you’re just lost dude. Kirk Cousins just got 45 being 10 years older and coming off major injury. Come back to reality.

This...

So...so this.

 

[nick_in_nh]

I have no idea what Miami is thinking, but the smart decision is to let Tua play on the 5th year option and make him earn his next contract. He hasn't proven anything yet other than the ability to demolish creampuffs, we need more than that.

Unless of course he wants to sign a Daniel Jones type contract with an out after year 2 for about 45 million a year, 4 years total. That would be acceptable for Miami imo, but I doubt Tua would accept that. So far, that's all he's earned. I hope he gives us a hometown discount, he's not good enough to win without an excellent supporting cast and I hope he realizes this.

I agree that is a reasonable contract but Tua has accomplished way more than Daniel jones ever did statistically. I think Jones had like 12 TD passes.

 

[miamiron]

I love Tua and think he should be paid. But we know Grier is trying to get a team friendly discount. As he should. Hypothetically, maybe it would be better to let the season play out. A motivated Tua trying to get the generational bag. If he plays well then make him the highest paid qb in the league

By playing ''well'' do you mean a winning record,playoff win,superbowl win, superbowl loss?

 

[Fin-Loco]

Conclusion first, since I think people are missing the question:

Not to bias anyone, I think there is a real hard negotiation going on. My view is something gets done, but the number will be in the 40's as opposed to 50's....this is how negotiations go when both sides have good points, you tend to end up in the middle:

This is not an attempt to start a debate about Tua's merits as a QB. The question is, what is the state of the negotiation? Are the two sides close, or still far apart?

IF the two sides were close, we would have a deal already. Clearly we don't have a deal. So that implies there is a real negotiation going on here.

In any negotiation, the two sides will make their case. Tua's side will say he led the league in passing yards, top QBs get mid 50's million. The Dolphins will say, he still has not won a playoff game, faded down the stretch last year, and needs a lot of help around him that will be impossible to provide if he takes up that much of the salary cap. That is a $30-$35mm per year QB. That also leaves a $20-$25mm per year difference between the two sides. The amount of difference is bigger than the salary of any other single player. The other thing I wonder, is if the Dolphins are saying in their negotiation something akin to "well we can let you play out the 5th year option, and then franchise you the next year, and the total dollars in those two years will be less than $100mm ($50mm per year x 2) so we could just do that." Tua's side will say yeah, but you won't be deferring any of that money into the future to make the cap easier to manage now, and back and forth they go.

THEN, we are seeing a lot more articles and comments like this from the local media, this is the Sun Sentinel today: Chris Perkins: Dolphins shouldn’t give Tua an extension, and certainly not superstar money

Some may think the media thinks independently. Sometimes they do, and sometimes they do things like this at the behest of the team. The team wants stuff like this out there as part of their negotiating strategy. Gets the fans on their side, and they know the guys at the other side of the table see these articles.

The question is, do you think they are close on a deal, and what is the number, years and dollars, and when do you think it will be announced OR are the two sides still far apart and this whole thing is not going as smoothly as people might believe?

I think there's a lot going on. Tua is committed to bettering himself annually and that is hyper commendable. As I've mentioned before, that's not a given. A lot of players even QBs just put in a little extra effort in the off season. Tua is on a mission to improve.

I hear the didn't win a playoff game comment loud and clear. But to be fair. He's played in one and got kinda screwed by the CTE crap to keep him out of the one the year before. Is his fading down the stretch necessarily valid towards Tua? If I'm Tua's agent I'm shooting that down and papering the walls with the injury reports from the second half of the season. I'm also probably mentioning that on top of health, if the HC could get the calls in before two seconds remained, maybe one or two games more would have been won vs. a fire drill to avoid a penalty...

Tua like any good QBs has a nice list of intangibles. He's been the face of the team and has taken a lot of **** not only from the media but from his own HC for half of his NFL career. Each year he's improved. He offsets his injury history with focusing on trying to eliminate those injuries whether it; 's training his hip or taking Jiu Jitsu to keep from falling in a manner that could cause more concussions.

Tua doesn't strike me as a selfish guy. He's also very smart and knows the more of the money pie he takes up, the more difficult it is to field a team around him. Of course Grier is going to try to get as creative as possible to pay Tua while maximizing his flexibility to field a winning team.

It seems like this is taking a while. A couple things to note:

September 7 - Date of when Burrow's contract got done.

July 25 - Date of when Herbert's contract got done.

July 6 - Date of Mahomes' new contract in 2020.

It's April 13 people. Relax.....

 

[JamesWsenior]

i am dying. can only imagine. booking my tickets!

Here you go. Thai New Year today. The biggest water fight in the world in downtown. Glad I missed it lol

 

[Finlawyer]

50 million is a steal so not sure what you’re talking about. That’s just the price of qbs. Nfl already talking about adding an 18th regular season game. This will increase revenue and the cap. Miami could realistically be looking at signing him for 65 million next year if not signed this year and plays another good season.

Signing Tua now signals we will not take a QB in the draft. Let other teams keep guessing who we may be targeting. Moreover, let Tua and his agents keep guessing if we would take a QB if one drops to us. Tua is good but not good enough to win a SB. He is weak-armed and cannot run. He is good at throwing with anticipation. And while no single player can be expected to win a SB, it appears that Mahomes did by keeping drives alive with his feet when they otherwise looked dead. The Chiefs had an average regular season but turned it on in the playoffs. Keep your options open. Someday, we will find our next Dan Marino.