What if Dolphins drafted Penix like Joel Klatt suggests - Pretend this is some sort of clever April Fools joke

[lynx]

Wrote this last week in the Draft section but we all know hardly anyone goes in there so this is prob new to most of you.

These are my shock jock, shoot from the hip, wild, unfiltered, probabaly totally incorrect QB predictions. Post your predictions too, bc I'm interested in you-alls thoughts. I'm doing the top 6, feel free to add more if you wish.

Williams - Goes to Chicago and prob becomes their best QB of all time (not saying much) but the team will be nothing more than a media engine for a big market. 10 to 15 yr career but no trophies. Williams is talented but I don't think he has the work ethic to be great, he may enter the NFL at his talent ceiling, get even more famious and focus more on being a celeb than a great football player.

Daniels- taken by Washington and tragically just like RGIII is injured often and early in his career. Daniels is mobile in the same vein as Lamar is but there is a huge difference in the way these guys run. Lamar avoids big hits, Daniels gets blown up often when he runs. My prediction, this reckless running style makes him have a shortened career maybe 5 years tops as a starter. Harsh but this is my gut feeling.

Maye- I see a Mac Jones type player, might be a bit better than Mac but I think his ceiling is a low tier starter. Ceiling is around Tannehill.

McCarthy - He's Zach Wilson, looks like Wilson, has tools like Wilson & also has little college experianse just like Wilson.... only difference McCarthy won alot more. I could be totally wrong and he turns out to be pretty good, ceiling like Baker Mayfield level of talent.

Nix - ends up on a good team like the Vikings and ends up having the most successful career out of the entire class. He's instinctive and going to the right situation will play a huge part in his development and eventual success.

Penix - He's raw and not super accurate, he will get some starts maybe a year or two as a starter but ends up a backup.

Actually, I read a great article over the weekend which compared this year's top QB's to comparables coming out of college and Caleb Williams was most like Zach Wilson

The next Mahomes, Purdy or Tua? Stat comps for the NFL draft's top six QBs

Could Caleb Williams or Drake Maye be the next NFL MVP, or do they more resemble recent busts? Bill Connelly breaks them down.

www.espn.co.uk

 

[VAFinsfan72]

What? Penix has a slightly better arm and that is it. Penix isn't close to Tua coming out of college. As Mello points out his accuracy is no where close. Penix can't layer throws well, he need an open lane to an open WR. Penix was a 6 year guy, at Penix's age Tua lead the NFL in pass rating. Penix was an average QB in the BIG10 (they play D). Look at what Penix looked like this year against the only top 50 D he faced all year (Michigan). Penix was all over the place against Michigan. Once he can't just stand in the clean pocket and wait for an open WR he goes to crap. I swear some people's evaluations of a QBs "ceilling" is basically if QB have big arm he have big ceiling.

Washington's OL was overwhelmed by Michigan's DL in that game. Penix generally won't have to face that kind of disparity of trench play at the NFL level.

Penix is more physically gifted than Tua. He is taller, he has a stronger arm and has more moblity. Tua might have certain intangible advantages like processing. Accuracy is a wash.

 

[TheMageGandalf]

Massive massive difference. Marino was a top 5 talent and was neck and neck with Elway. Those guys were franchise QBs. Marino fell because rumors. Maybe if Williams or something like that fell to 21 sure. But Penix is a 2nd round talent that will get over drafted because of QB needy teams. Penix has maybe a slightly stronger arm then Tua other then that there is not a single thing he does at Tua's level as a passer. Do people realize that Tua is only 2 years older then Penix despite getting ready for his 5th year in the NFL. At Penixs age Tua lead the NFL in pass rating. Wonder what 6 year super SR Tua would look like in a pass happy offense in college.

Wasn't talking about penix I thought I made that pretty clear to another poster.

 

[TheMageGandalf]

Yeah I mean I think that’s the bigger issue is not the reluctance to upgrade but the suggestions being thrown out are crazy.

I’ve heard things like cousins who’s 10 years older and the same tier as Tua, I’ve heard **** like Drew Lock at 5 million is an upgrade over Tua at 50 million or reaching for Penix who’s almost the same age as Tua, spent 6 years in college and has a laundry list of injuries and is probably a 3rd round draft grade.

I don’t think that’s the same conversation as possibly replacing Tua with a legit option. There’d be a lot less push back if the conversation was about Drake Maye or Jayden Daniels at 21 which will never happen but atleast those are 1st round guys. Reaching for Penix 1st round is up there with Drew lock for me lol

Yeah bro most definitely...

 

[dan the fin]

Washington's OL was overwhelmed by Michigan's DL in that game. Penix generally won't have to face that kind of disparity of trench play at the NFL level.

Penix is more physically gifted than Tua. He is taller, he has a stronger arm and has more moblity. Tua might have certain intangible advantages like processing. Accuracy is a wash.

Washington OL was overwhelmed just like Miami's basically all year. And yes he will face big fast D like that all the time in the NFL. What he won't face is PAC level Ds in the NFL.

Accuracy is not even close to a wash. Tua throws far better fron different angles and far better touch (layers the ball). The moment Penix has to move off his spot his Accuracy goes to ****. It is why he struggled so much at Indiana. He looked good in Washington pass happy O with the top OL in the country. Tua was a hiesman finalist as a sophomore, at that stage Penix was struggling to lock down a starting QB spot at Indiana. Far different level prospects.

 

[dan the fin]

Wasn't talking about penix I thought I made that pretty clear to another poster.

Well I responded to your post on like page 2 and didn't see that yet. But by your original post it sure seemed like it and it looked like most people thought the same. It is a thread about drafting Penix. It would have a completely different context if the thread was say about drafting Williams at 21 over Tua.

 

[VAFinsfan72]

Washington OL was overwhelmed just like Miami's basically all year. And yes he will face big fast D like that all the time in the NFL. What he won't face is PAC level Ds in the NFL.

Accuracy is not even close to a wash. Tua throws far better fron different angles and far better touch (layers the ball). The moment Penix has to move off his spot his Accuracy goes to ****. It is why he struggled so much at Indiana. He looked good in Washington pass happy O with the top OL in the country. Tua was a hiesman finalist as a sophomore, at that stage Penix was struggling to lock down a starting QB spot at Indiana. Far different level prospects.

My point was that the disparity of trench play Penix will have and face in the NFL won't be as drastic as it can be in college football. Also Penix has more mobility than Tua does so he can better deal with evading pressure.

If Tua is so accurate how come Hill almost always has to slow down and adjust to catch his passes?

Did you watch Penix play? Those same passes that Tua underthrows, Penix his his receivers on a dime.

 

[lynx]

Washington's OL was overwhelmed by Michigan's DL in that game. Penix generally won't have to face that kind of disparity of trench play at the NFL level.

Penix is more physically gifted than Tua. He is taller, he has a stronger arm and has more moblity. Tua might have certain intangible advantages like processing. Accuracy is a wash.

A guy who is Top 5 in almost every accuracy stat for 2023 IN THE NFL is a "wash" with some guy who hasn't played a down against professional players yet.

Wow.

 

[rent this space]

A guy who is Top 5 in almost every accuracy stat for 2023 IN THE NFL is a "wash" with some guy who hasn't played a down against professional players yet.

Wow.

welcome to April

 

[TheMageGandalf]

Well I responded to your post on like page 2 and didn't see that yet. But by your original post it sure seemed like it and it looked like most people thought the same. It is a thread about drafting Penix. It would have a completely different context if the thread was say about drafting Williams at 21 over Tua.

Yeah I get it, but 2 things with that ...1. Most threads go all over the place and aren't locked into one specific mindset/topic/reasoning regardless of what the op said...i look at the post and try and comprehend wtf is being said not just assume its always op based (guess im different than most then again im not looking to just start arguments)...

2. as per usual whether its convos about penix or any rookie qb ...or anybody else we have as qb1 whether it be tua or tannehill or henne...if some one brings up the topic of bringing in any qbs to either challenge, sit or learn...it all goes to hell seemingly because God forbid we have 2 guys there in case of injury...or maybe even upgrade at some point...

I'm not even going to go deeper into the reality of the Dan drafting issue because I think people just want to argue and well it's a thread about penix so you know hold your horses there pal....

 

[dan the fin]

My point was that the disparity of trench play Penix will have and face in the NFL won't be as drastic as it can be in college football. Also Penix has more mobility than Tua does so he can better deal with evading pressure.

If Tua is so accurate how come Hill almost always has to slow down and adjust to catch his passes?

Did you watch Penix play? Those same passes that Tua underthrows, Penix his his receivers on a dime.

Seen Penix play a ton. Not in the same teir or close to Tua in college. Who cares if Penix evades pressure (he isn't a runner) and once he moves off his spot his accuracy goes to crap. Like against Michigan one he had to slide 2 feet right, then had no pressure and a wide open WR for a TD. Nope he air mailed it. He had another one were he slide up in the pocket had another wide open WR and short hoped it only 10 yards downfield. Tua make those throws in his sleep. There is a reason you see a lot of conflicting reports when it comes to Penix accuracy. He is highly accurate when he can just stand in the pocket (and not move), the moment he has slide up are move any little bit he goes to crap. That is why he sucked at Indy (average OL vs better Ds) compared to at Washington (best OL vs poor Ds).

 

[Sticky Gloves]

The moment Penix has to move off his spot his Accuracy goes to ****

Sounds like another QB I know.

 

[dan the fin]

Sounds like another QB I know.

Ya you and shots at Tua. Ya not getting involved with that low level conversion.

 

[Dolph N.Fan]

I'm all for drafting another QB as insurance to Tua whether it be for money or health concerns whatever. But you can't be on board with Penix AND complain about Tua for being too small, or injury prone lol

 

[MrChadRico]

Actually, I read a great article over the weekend which compared this year's top QB's to comparables coming out of college and Caleb Williams was most like Zach Wilson

The next Mahomes, Purdy or Tua? Stat comps for the NFL draft's top six QBs

Could Caleb Williams or Drake Maye be the next NFL MVP, or do they more resemble recent busts? Bill Connelly breaks them down.

www.espn.co.uk

Interesting, Williams is a very interesting prospect. I dont quite see the can't miss prospect so many of these scouts do, but I guess they know more than me.

Hes very good but I donno if he's gonna live up to the hype, there is ALOT of hype.